That's the problem. We have been working for this since the year 1999 when Delta bought Comair, and then ASA. The problem is that while DALPA has the power and capital to force DAL management to do it, they see no value in such. They don't think it's worthwhile to waste it on us (insert slam against regional pilots here _________.) They always fall back on "we just can't force management to do it". Sure they can. They will just have to give something up to recapture the flying. They retort that WE would be giving nothing and getting a windfall, so it's "not fair" that they should give, and not us. But WE really don't have anything to offer, except seats on the RJs, which they don't want. See the circular logic? That's why it will never happen, despite the fact that it really is the only way to put the RJ genie back in the bottle. THAT'S the value to them.

 

I see what you are saying. I did not know that DALPA has the power to actually make it happen. I thought the ball was all on the management's side of the court. Oh well, it was a wishful thinking anyway. I don't think it will happen either because pilots in control of DALPA don't want to give up anything for junior pilots.

 

Anything can be negotiated for the right price. It would require DALPA agreeing to fly the RJ for a cost structure similar to (albeit higher than) ours. They won't agree to that.

And you hit the nail on the head about the senior/junior thing. They have a huge divide over there, even though they don't like to admit it. The senior pilots are most worried about pay, retirement and equipment (more heavies). The junior pilots are most worried about scope erosion. The senior control DALPA, so guess what... scope keeps getting sold for what they want.

 

What are you talking about JOHN! DALPA has a payscale for the CRJ900/E190 already... And its FAR better then any regional out there. Albeit not up to pay with Jetblues just yet.....

Although I am going to agree with you on the Junior/Senior statement. It would seem as if the Junior pilots were the ones whom pushed to staple even recently Compass to the bottom and regain those planes... All for not obviously.

 

Reading and comprehension. Try again. You just don't get it.

YES they have a pay scale for the CRJ-900 and from your post yesterday (which you didn't cite sources, and I have yet to verify) it's actually a LOT higher than ours. (Also nothing below that size... what about 50-70 seats?) That's why it's a non-starter with management. They are going to have to "lower the bar" as you said and fly them for less to recapture that flying. Now is that really lowering the bar? If you look at the big picture, no, because by recapturing that domestic feed, the airline grows, and the compensation will increase. But pilots tend to look at the small picture, not the big picture.

 

Actually, those rates are accurate for EMB-190/CRJ-900 and are from 1/1/10. The EMB-195 rates are $18 to $19 higher. My source? My copy of the PWA in front of me.


There is no rate for the 50-70 seaters since they are already outsourced. That horse has left the barn. I seriously doubt that you will see a 50-70 seater flown at mainline. About the only thing to do is not allow anymore airframes to be flown by DCI and totally prevent anything bigger from leaving the property.

 

But that's what we're discussing here... how to get it all back to mainline (stapled lists).

 

I guess I was under the impression we were ONLY speaking about the CRJ900. Although I'd love the see the CRJ700 I fly from time to time go back as well, as mentioned that horse has been let out of the barn and will be hard to get back. Simply saying to staple us to the bottom will solve the issue will not do. There are far TOO many Senior pilots even at ASA/Comair/Mesaba whom would not be ok being stapled to the bottom of any list.....

FYI I do not put BS out there... If I say DAL has a better payrate for a plane, they have it. Otherwise I will not post something or FLAIMBAIT something.... It is not my style.... I hold the information on DAL and many other airlines as to what they currently make and will make in the future as far as equipment.... Ask around many copies are not hard to find and most pilots are willing to share it in hopes to improve things for US all...

 

Wow!!! Meyers and Pennekamp have come close to an agreement... Ever pilot in the regionals thats not a lifer would rather prefer to see the larger RJ stapled at the bottom of mainline any day.....I don't want to stay on the CRJ 900 as a regional pilot, but I will take the right seat of the same aircraft at mainline ..... far better work rules!!

 

Oh so the atl Skywest base is closing in march?