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Old 03-08-2010 | 09:51 AM
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some quick (and probably faulty) math:

Atl Crj FO avg non-nap BLOCK: 76 hr
Atl Crj FO avg non-nap CREDIT: 78 hr

Atl Cr7 FO avg non-nap BLOCK: 82 hr
Atl Cr7 FO avg non-nap CREDIT: 85 hr

Iad Crj FO avg non-nap BLOCK: 72 hr
Iad Crj FO avg non-nap CREDIT: 83 hr
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Old 03-08-2010 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by String682
Excellent point, thanks for the reminder. As I heard it said by someone else here before, we will not be considered short until ALL reserves are breaking guarantee, and the average line value hits the mid-90's.
This is what I've been told as well.

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Ive been on reserve for more than 2 years with no end in sight....everyone from my class feels the same way...

I really dont understand how we are going to operate summer schedules at this staffing, especially with the 60 crews being in IAD come May. PBS wont do anything until the fall...
My guess is they will increase the line values a little bit to cover the extra flying, leaving less lines and more reserve coverage.
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Old 03-08-2010 | 01:02 PM
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Marcus,
That plain just sucks for all of us on the bottom....
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Old 03-08-2010 | 01:11 PM
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Whether your pilot group passes PBS or not ASA probably won't call back any of your furloughs. If PBS does pass then there would be no point in calling any of them back since they would just be furloughed again in the fall. If it doesn't they still probably wouldn't need them during the slow fall season. It just wouldn't make sense to bring them back for the 3 month bump in summer travel only to throw them out on the streets in the fall.

Your management will figure out a way to get by this summer and then see what next year looks like.
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Old 03-08-2010 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PSACFI
Whether your pilot group passes PBS or not ASA probably won't call back any of your furloughs. If PBS does pass then there would be no point in calling any of them back since they would just be furloughed again in the fall. If it doesn't they still probably wouldn't need them during the slow fall season. It just wouldn't make sense to bring them back for the 3 month bump in summer travel only to throw them out on the streets in the fall.

Your management will figure out a way to get by this summer and then see what next year looks like.
I think your right and that's what I'm afraid of.
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Old 03-09-2010 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Intl Jumper
Ive been on reserve for more than 2 years with no end in sight....everyone from my class feels the same way...

I really dont understand how we are going to operate summer schedules at this staffing, especially with the 60 crews being in IAD come May. PBS wont do anything until the fall...
It's really not that tough to understand. A 10-15 hour increase in line values will easily cover a large increase in flying. Stick with your original plan, call in sick on the red arrow days, you'll bring them to their knees. I'm supporting you man, I also wrote in one of the stalls that "Scott Hall is a poopy head", that should show 'em we mean business...

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Old 03-09-2010 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverandSore
It's really not that tough to understand. A 10-15 hour increase in line values will easily cover a large increase in flying. Stick with your original plan, call in sick on the red arrow days, you'll bring them to their knees. I'm supporting you man, I also wrote in one of the stalls that "Scott Hall is a poopy head", that should show 'em we mean business...
why are we knocking him for wanting people return from the street? Of course, it's a lot easier to just run 95 hour lines because that benefits YOU. To hell with the people on unemployment beneath you, that's their problem, right?
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Old 03-09-2010 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Intl Jumper
Marcus,
That plain just sucks for all of us on the bottom....
Yup, but there's nothing we can do about it as its completely out of our control. The best thing we can do is think positively by looking on the bright side. We have a job at a decent paying regional in a pretty gloomy economy. Three years on reserve doesn't sound too bad when I think of friends that flight instructed 3 years after 9-11 happened.
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Old 03-09-2010 | 07:19 AM
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With the PBS bid ending tomorrow, how long does it usually take to get the answer?
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Old 03-09-2010 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Galunga
why are we knocking him for wanting people return from the street? Of course, it's a lot easier to just run 95 hour lines because that benefits YOU. To hell with the people on unemployment beneath you, that's their problem, right?

You're not even close. First off, ASA isn't a jobs program, it's a business running in a very competitive environment. Bringing back all the furloughs will not help the company, the employees or the stockholders. Sure it would great to get them back but when they are needed. I've said it 20 times in here, the furloughs aren't coming back until line values exceed 90 hours and the reserves are being flown over block, is that really too big a concept for some of you to understand? It doesn't do any of the employees a favor by bringing back more pilots that aren't needed, it adds to our costs and makes us less competitive forcing us to 'loose' more flying resulting in even fewer jobs until the cycle continues to our demise. Whine all you want that I'm a 'management hack' or a 'line holder that doesn't care about the furloughs' but you're only making assumptions to make yourself feel better, more importantly what you assume isn't at all true. We're living in an adult world where every dollar counts, we're with a good company that is effectively using it's assets. If you had any business sense you would understand that. </rant>
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