I have a good idea what was said. My guess is it was the same stuff said in 06 and 08.
No airline flying for AMR can fly planes bigger then 50 seats.
RAH dose AEX flying under the CHQ certificate that certificate only has 140/145 on it.

Also if (and it is a big if) we are divestiture (I don't think we are going to be) we all will be out of jobs in the next 7-10 years.

 

the eagle MEC has a job for you be76flyer. they need more innovative thinkers like themselves on the negotiating committee dubbed the KY group. Why, because they bring there own KY to every meeting with mgt, they dont want to add to the companies expenses now that they may be divested.

 

I am the last guy the MEC wants to help them.
FYI: I am a full pay till last day kind of guy.
This **** about PBS is ****ing me off and don't get me started on API.

 

Have you seen the Republic payscale? Keep in mind the majority of their E170/175/190 CAs are 5-8yrs seniority. Now look at the Eagle payscale.

Our 5yr ATR CAs make more than 5yr E170 CAs. Our 8yr E145 CAs get more than an 8yr E170 CA. I wonder how that competition will go when it is time to bid for flying against them...Oh and take a gander at those sweet Republic FO payrates.

Bidding for contract flying from UAL/CAL/DAL sounds nice, but when you look at the huge market share that Republic/Shuttle America/CHQ, Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan, Skywest/ASA/Xjet already control then we will be fighting a serious headwind trying to break into that game.

 

Yeah, What part of that is sooo difficult to understand? If an FNG understands it how come you don't??? LOL

 

Well don't mean to swich it up but whose got class on the 11th?

 

This is true if they have a CPA with AA, but what if the new Eagle were to enter into a code-share agreement with AA just like we have seen with JetBlue since last year. There is no scope limitation when it comes to Codesharing.

So maybe AE cert continues flying all the EMJ's with a CPA but the Executive cert is used to code-share the CRJ's, ATR's, and they would also be free to expand their fleet as they please.

 

That would require a standalone sustainable airline operation (no financial help from AMR/AA or anyone). Remember how that worked out for Expressjet?

I really dont think there is enough room in the business for another airline of any type (regional, LCC, legacy,etc).

 

That issue was brought up specifically. The way it was put: Eagle's current profit margin is about 1%. Republic's profit margin is roughly 7%.

The reason for that is Eagle has pilots with over 10, 15, and even 20 years seniority who for years have not been going anywhere. Meanwhile Republic has a lower seniority pilot group who average around the 4 year mark.

However, Eagle has the flowthrough agreement with AA. In addition to the Eagle pilots with a spot at AA ( I forget how many) there are an additional 800 slots at AA that have to be offered to Eagle pilots first. That is 800 plus all the ones currently flowing through. The number of pilots at the top half of Eagle's seniority list leaving in the next few years is huge.

So that puts Eagle in a very unique position in regards to salaries. We are the only airline currently who is seeing a massive loss of their most senior pilots. Meanwhile other airlines like Republic do not have anybody going anywhere at that rate.

Republic has an aging (seniority wise) pilot group. In a few years all their pilots who are currently on 3, 4 and 5th year pay scales will be making much more money. Meanwhile at Eagle, our average hire date will continue to get lower and lower.

So even though we will pay our pilots more, we will have an advantage of paying out fewer higher salaries...basically a reverse of what is currently happening in regards to Eagle vs Republic.

I'm just repeating what was said by VARIOUS people at the top, including the President and a number of very senior Captains. Their enthusiasm at spinning off and contracting with other airlines was palpable... and Republic was mentioned by name more than once.

We will just have to wait and see what happens.

 

Who said Eagle has 1% and republic has 7% profit left, ALPA MEC or AE President. Oh thats right, the MEC works for the mgt now, DFR on its way.

Eagle gets 4.5% profit margin and Republic for connection gets 10% profit margin.
What is wrong is you people who pass out numbers have no idea of actually what you are talking about or where these numbers come from.

Lets take a stab. Eagle gets raped by AA on internal company charges on a daily basis where as Republic (CHQ) does not. AE gets 4.5% profit and you said at end it has 1% profit, that means in lay terms 3.5% of the profit margin goes to expenses. But republic gets 10% profit margin and you said they have 7% profit left after expenses which means that expenses are 3%.

So AE has 3.5% of the profit margin in expenses with the AA rape.
And Republic has 3% of the profit margin in expenses without the AA rape.

Seems when numbers are put in place, the BS is easily seen as what it is. You do know there are no financial numbers on AE published anywhere, but Republics is. Do you know why, because AE is a private company and Republic is a public traded company. AE's numbers are massaged to make what ever the point management wants to make.