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Old 05-25-2011 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CrustyFE
It's mostly about the training.....
Try reading it before making virtually baseless comments...

The most dangerous are the ones who think they're professionals, but aren't.
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Old 05-25-2011 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
The most dangerous are the ones who think they're professionals, but aren't.
Define "Professional".

You have all the answers.....
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Old 05-25-2011 | 04:11 PM
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ya but the guys with over 2000 hours do this as a job and fly 1000 hours/yr, the guys under 2000 do it for fun and fly 50 hours a year, so that is not a great stat.
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Old 05-25-2011 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
The most dangerous are the ones who think they're professionals, but aren't.
Define "Professional".

You have all the answers.....
Stop attacking the messenger Read the Nall Report. It is very clear.
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Old 05-25-2011 | 04:22 PM
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ya but the guys with over 2000 hours do this as a job and fly 1000 hours/yr, the guys under 2000 do it for fun and fly 50 hours a year, so that is not a great stat.
Incorrect. It is broken down by commercial and private operations. Numbers don't lie.
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Old 05-25-2011 | 06:26 PM
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Who really cares
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Old 05-25-2011 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 172captain
Who really cares
Ya I kinda want to +1 this, there has to be more to this, but I also do not have the time to really read the report, more over it is semi off topic from this AE thread.
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Old 05-25-2011 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32

Originally Posted by CrustyFE
It's mostly about the training.....

Try reading it before making virtually baseless comments...

The most dangerous are the ones who think they're professionals, but aren't.
It was not a baseless comment. I have plenty of information, qualifications, training, and experience to base that comment on. I read the report last year when it was published, but I briefly reviewed it again today. I think it's a training issue when it comes to pilot error and I think this report backs that up.

I do agree with your last statement. But professionalism is also a significant training issue, or a lack of training issue.
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Old 05-25-2011 | 09:29 PM
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In my opinion, training is generally more important than experience.

A new pilot with little experience can be trained to proficiency. The military does this all the time. Of course, the military has the money to throw at training, so they can do that.

Private pilots usually don't have the money to throw at training like the military and even if they did, the same level of training found in the military usually can't be bought. With few exceptions.

An experienced pilot who has not received proper and/or recent training may be ill equipped to handle situations that stray beyond routine.

Experienced pilots generally have better judgement than newer pilots, unless the newer pilots have been trained in what constitutes good judgement.

Of course, this philosophy extends to any career field. Not just aviation.
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Old 05-26-2011 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CrustyFE
In my opinion, training is generally more important than experience.

A new pilot with little experience can be trained to proficiency. The military does this all the time. Of course, the military has the money to throw at training, so they can do that.

Private pilots usually don't have the money to throw at training like the military and even if they did, the same level of training found in the military usually can't be bought. With few exceptions.

An experienced pilot who has not received proper and/or recent training may be ill equipped to handle situations that stray beyond routine.

Experienced pilots generally have better judgement than newer pilots, unless the newer pilots have been trained in what constitutes good judgement.

Of course, this philosophy extends to any career field. Not just aviation.
I'm with you on this one... There is a very dangerous spot for pilots around that 500+ hour mark for private pilots because they THINK they know it all or that they are a GOOD pilot and get complacent... this is a proven statistic and psychological error. I'm sure there is a hour mark for commercial pilots as well.
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