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#2761
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From: GV Captain
Anyone else experiencing some training issues. The computer ground school is meh and then the real groud school is really rushed. Then it's right from oral to sim with no time off. Sim is okay but VERY fast paced. Straight into approaches and no time spent on aircraft control. The instructors point out that you should of done approaches in FMS lab but they were not. They just shrug and pass on an unsat. Single engine day comes and again straight into approaches and no work on aircraft control. Most of the ground and sim instructors admit there are shortcomings with the training but nothing changes. This is very frustrating to all of us.
#2762
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Quick question about dead-heading. I have my first IOE trip on tues so they are dead-heading me to MIA meet the Chief Pilot and then dead heading me to ORD for my trip. The verbage in the FM1 is not totally clear. Am I required to wear uniform while dead-heading or just first class attire acceptable? If the latter then would it still be acceptable to be meeting my CP in first class attire or wear the uniform?
Last edited by ERJF15; 07-10-2011 at 10:47 AM.
#2765
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From: Right seat, left seat, right seat, left seat....?
Quick question about dead-heading. I have my first IOE trip on tues so they are dead-heading me to MIA meet the Chief Pilot and then dead heading me to ORD for my trip. The verbage in the FM1 is not totally clear. Am I required to wear uniform while dead-heading or just first class attire acceptable? If the latter then would it still be acceptable to be meeting my CP in first class attire or wear the uniform?
I don't remember if I ever wore anything other than my uniform during a deadhead, but if I did, no gate agent ever said anything to me and they would be the ones who would stop you if they saw an issue with it. I usually always wear my uniform whenever I non-rev or deadhead because of the food and drinks I bring with me. I couldn't get them through security otherwise and head of line privileges in security are worth wearing the uniform alone.
The pilots I know who don't wear their uniform usually wear it through security and then change later.
My original reply:
You can wear regular clothes during your deadhead. Dress codes for deadheading and non-reving are the same and you should be familiar with them. On jetNet, click on Travel in the upper menu and then "Traveler Information" on the left menu. When the new window opens, click on "Guest Traveler Policies." Many of your questions will be answered there and you will know where to look for this info.
There is a lot of information scattered all over JetNet. It's not always easy to find because of all the links and the enormity of the site. After five years it's still tough to find things.
As far as meeting the Chief Pilot goes, each one of them is different. It's probably better to wear your uniform if you can, but I don't know that they will really care as long as you don't look like a slob. You're not flying or performing duties so there is no requirement to be in uniform.
Last edited by CrustyFE; 07-10-2011 at 11:05 AM.
#2766
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From: EMB145 FO
UPDATE: I'm editing this post because I didn't see the other replies to the initial post. Some of the folks state you're on duty when you dead head. I would agree with that. You have to wear your uniform when you're on duty so it was a mistake for me to say you can wear civilian cloths during a deadhead. My apologies.
I don't remember if I ever wore anything other than my uniform during a deadhead, but if I did, no gate agent ever said anything to me and they would be the ones who would stop you if they saw an issue with it. I usually always wear my uniform whenever I non-rev or deadhead because of the food and drinks I bring with me. I couldn't get them through security otherwise and head of line privileges in security are worth wearing the uniform alone.
The pilots I know who don't wear their uniform usually wear it through security and then change later.
My original reply:
You can wear regular clothes during your deadhead. Dress codes for deadheading and non-reving are the same and you should be familiar with them. On jetNet, click on Travel in the upper menu and then "Traveler Information" on the left menu. When the new window opens, click on "Guest Traveler Policies." Many of your questions will be answered there and you will know where to look for this info.
There is a lot of information scattered all over JetNet. It's not always easy to find because of all the links and the enormity of the site. After five years it's still tough to find things.
As far as meeting the Chief Pilot goes, each one of them is different. It's probably better to wear your uniform if you can, but I don't know that they will really care as long as you don't look like a slob. You're not flying or performing duties so there is no requirement to be in uniform.
I don't remember if I ever wore anything other than my uniform during a deadhead, but if I did, no gate agent ever said anything to me and they would be the ones who would stop you if they saw an issue with it. I usually always wear my uniform whenever I non-rev or deadhead because of the food and drinks I bring with me. I couldn't get them through security otherwise and head of line privileges in security are worth wearing the uniform alone.
The pilots I know who don't wear their uniform usually wear it through security and then change later.
My original reply:
You can wear regular clothes during your deadhead. Dress codes for deadheading and non-reving are the same and you should be familiar with them. On jetNet, click on Travel in the upper menu and then "Traveler Information" on the left menu. When the new window opens, click on "Guest Traveler Policies." Many of your questions will be answered there and you will know where to look for this info.
There is a lot of information scattered all over JetNet. It's not always easy to find because of all the links and the enormity of the site. After five years it's still tough to find things.
As far as meeting the Chief Pilot goes, each one of them is different. It's probably better to wear your uniform if you can, but I don't know that they will really care as long as you don't look like a slob. You're not flying or performing duties so there is no requirement to be in uniform.
3 15.1 B does not state you MUST wear your uniform during deadheading. what it states is "wear complete uniform IF deadheading in uniform"
That being said its easier to get through tsa in the monkey suit then it is out.
#2769
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From: L Side
And this is the problem the FAA really needs to address with the regional airlines. Regional airline training is designed around the pilot applicant that they USED to attract- a high time, highly experienced pilot. Since the regional airlines are completely unwilling to pay the salaries that will attract a high time, highly experienced pilot, they need to significantly change their training program to reflect that fact. Of course, the regional airlines will not willingly change their training programs in any meaningful way, so they need to be FORCED to do so.
I agree in concept with most of what you've said, except for the forced part.
I believe that the intent of FAA requirements is to set a minimum/baseline standard to be followed by the airlines. In years gone by, most airlines would meet and exceed the minimum requirements for training because that was the right thing to do. However, nowadays cost has over-ridden many former good practices.
I believe the airlines have been able to get away with this for a long time now, because, as you said, “they USED to attract a high-time, highly experienced pilot”. The airlines have brought this on themselves. The poor treatment and low pay have constricted the pipeline that used to produce more experienced and higher caliber new-hires. The smart airlines will adapt and modify/augment their training programs if they are to keep their airplanes flying. Those that don’t change deserve to stop flying.
#2770
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From: L Side
Anyone else experiencing some training issues. The computer ground school is meh and then the real groud school is really rushed. Then it's right from oral to sim with no time off. Sim is okay but VERY fast paced. Straight into approaches and no time spent on aircraft control. The instructors point out that you should of done approaches in FMS lab but they were not. They just shrug and pass on an unsat. Single engine day comes and again straight into approaches and no work on aircraft control. Most of the ground and sim instructors admit there are shortcomings with the training but nothing changes. This is very frustrating to all of us.
Though you may have valid points, you are not in a position to change Eagle's training program at this time. The first airline training Syllabus is usually the most difficult; I know it was for me. Then again, if you make it through this one, the rest should be easier.
I know that in other countries around the world, some airlines have a Jet Transition (or something similar) course for people that are in your situation. Unfortunately for you, this is not the case at Eagle. If you are struggling now, your best shot is to go see the head of training or his/her equivalent and own up to any deficiencies and ask for help. Even though you may be right regarding certain weak spots of the program, if you mention them at Eagle, you will make your situation worse.
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