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07-09-2011 | 06:43 PM
#2751
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Okay I have to wave the BS flag here. Most of us new people have NEVER flown a jet ever and this is new territory. Aircraft control in this plane is different, it's surprisingly sensitive. I'm pretty sure this is initial training, key word training. I came from a plane with steam gauges and no gps or glass, so don't lecture me about how it's no big deal suck it up and move on. I get that and I'm working hard at keeping up, I'm just pointing out that things are going to get worse when we start hiring folks with lower times. I'm done ranting and moving on.
07-09-2011 | 06:48 PM
#2752
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From: EMB145 FO
Excellent advice. Sim is for approaches/emergencies and company procedures.
Make sure you know your profiles, memory items and limitations cold. 121 training is fast paced. Most places will not hold your hand, the burden is on you to make sure you succeed; if you are not prepared, most companies will only give you so many extra sim sessions before they wash you out. Good luck and study!
Make sure you know your profiles, memory items and limitations cold. 121 training is fast paced. Most places will not hold your hand, the burden is on you to make sure you succeed; if you are not prepared, most companies will only give you so many extra sim sessions before they wash you out. Good luck and study!
However, again I agree with you that when in the sim it is time to man up and just do it. I felt very unprepared when I got to the sim, but I did not quit! I worked my way through it!
07-09-2011 | 07:07 PM
#2753
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Eagles view of "training" is that you already know how to fly, albiet a jet. Many people have successfully gone thru including the notorious "196 hr guy". If you feel it's going too fast maybe an unsat or two would be good for you, but don't expect much else. Now if you honestly have a problem with the "curriculum" go see A.H.
I personally don't want to be flying with or have my family sitting in the back with someone who thinks training is hard because they didn't get a day off between oral and sim. GET REAL.
I personally don't want to be flying with or have my family sitting in the back with someone who thinks training is hard because they didn't get a day off between oral and sim. GET REAL.
07-09-2011 | 09:23 PM
#2754
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Okay I have to wave the BS flag here. Most of us new people have NEVER flown a jet ever and this is new territory. Aircraft control in this plane is different, it's surprisingly sensitive. I'm pretty sure this is initial training, key word training. I came from a plane with steam gauges and no gps or glass, so don't lecture me about how it's no big deal suck it up and move on. I get that and I'm working hard at keeping up, I'm just pointing out that things are going to get worse when we start hiring folks with lower times. I'm done ranting and moving on.
I never flew a jet before, nothing bigger than a Aztec. So is not a big deal and the sim is more sensitive than the real plane.
07-09-2011 | 09:37 PM
#2755
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Okay I have to wave the BS flag here. Most of us new people have NEVER flown a jet ever and this is new territory. Aircraft control in this plane is different, it's surprisingly sensitive. I'm pretty sure this is initial training, key word training. I came from a plane with steam gauges and no gps or glass, so don't lecture me about how it's no big deal suck it up and move on. I get that and I'm working hard at keeping up, I'm just pointing out that things are going to get worse when we start hiring folks with lower times. I'm done ranting and moving on.
07-10-2011 | 12:23 AM
#2756
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And this is the problem the FAA really needs to address with the regional airlines. Regional airline training is designed around the pilot applicant that they USED to attract- a high time, highly experienced pilot. Since the regional airlines are completely unwilling to pay the salaries that will attract a high time, highly experienced pilot, they need to significantly change their training program to reflect that fact. Of course, the regional airlines will not willingly change their training programs in any meaningful way, so they need to be FORCED to do so.
CUDOS! Very well stated. I am said person having flown nothing larger than an Aztec; and I can't agree more. Luckily, I have a decent amount of total time and a degree in aviation maintenance and avionics to help. I can see how a pilot with just over AE's mins and no experience with larger a/c and their respective systems would have reason for concern.
07-10-2011 | 04:49 AM
#2757
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From: French-Canadian
Okay I have to wave the BS flag here. Most of us new people have NEVER flown a jet ever and this is new territory. Aircraft control in this plane is different, it's surprisingly sensitive. I'm pretty sure this is initial training, key word training. I came from a plane with steam gauges and no gps or glass, so don't lecture me about how it's no big deal suck it up and move on. I get that and I'm working hard at keeping up, I'm just pointing out that things are going to get worse when we start hiring folks with lower times. I'm done ranting and moving on.
the FMS lab then it should help. Stop blaming it on training. Is not a game, is fun and is your career! I am starting to understand why senior pilots treat new hires the way they do!!!
07-10-2011 | 05:25 AM
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Quick question about dead-heading. I have my first IOE trip on tues so they are dead-heading me to MIA meet the Chief Pilot and then dead heading me to ORD for my trip. The verbage in the FM1 is not totally clear. Am I required to wear uniform while dead-heading or just first class attire acceptable? If the latter then would it still be acceptable to be meeting my CP in first class attire or wear the uniform?
07-10-2011 | 05:28 AM
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Quick question about dead-heading. I have my first IOE trip on tues so they are dead-heading me to MIA meet the Chief Pilot and then dead heading me to ORD for my trip. The verbage in the FM1 is not totally clear. Am I required to wear uniform while dead-heading or just first class attire acceptable? If the latter then would it still be acceptable to be meeting my CP in first class attire or wear the uniform?
07-10-2011 | 06:05 AM
#2760
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Back to the Basics
Guys,
The airplane is "sensitive" because you have hydraulically assisted flight controls and 250kias.
Pitch up to the flight director, trim off the pressure, and arm the approach once you're cleared.
The training can feel fast paced but there is a lot to teach and the instructors want to task saturate you.
Oh yeah...know your profiles, memory items and limitations.
Hang in there. You will make it through.
TC
The airplane is "sensitive" because you have hydraulically assisted flight controls and 250kias.
Pitch up to the flight director, trim off the pressure, and arm the approach once you're cleared.
The training can feel fast paced but there is a lot to teach and the instructors want to task saturate you.
Oh yeah...know your profiles, memory items and limitations.
Hang in there. You will make it through.
TC
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