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What 10-20-2011 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Texas Flyer (Post 1072287)
I have a serious question for all you Eagle pilots with family's and/or responsibilities. In December of 2007 I was hired with ExpressJet and was told to expect a class in January, well the economy tanked and long store short, I quit a descent flying gig for ExpressJet and class eventually cancelled, so I was out of a job. I ended up changing careers to please my wife (now ex) and became a cop. I have been a cop for a couple years now and really enjoy it but miss being a pilot even more. I applied with Eagle in August and was offered a job on September 15. I have a mortgage, child support and a ton of bills courtesy of my wonderful (sarcasm) ex-wife. I know I will be taking a substaintial pay cut for the first couple of years at the airlines and I am ok with that. My question is with all the rumors with AMR filing for chapter 11, is it a good time for me to quit another decent job only to have class cancelled or make it through training only to be one of the lucky ones to be furloughed. What would you do? This is my first post and would really prefer only mature responses. Thanks in advance!

Eagle is high risk / high reward type of deal right now. If AMR can sign a contract with the AA pilots they will probably not need chapter 11. Right now management is playing the chapter 11 talk as well as Eagle divestiture to lock in a contract. AA won't show a profit until the contract is signed. But AA has to show a profit soon since the media as well as the investors are becoming extremely impatient. If AA files for BK, management would pay a huge price, right now AA could be easily taken over and in BK it would be even easier. If this is to happen allot of the management folks would probably loose jobs/positions you get the idea. This is creative accounting, for the 3rd QT AMR lost nearly 170M oil is to be said to have cost the company over half a billion compared to last year. When you look at these numbers considering they could probably buy Frontier for this amount of money and start parking the S80 at an accelerated rate. There is a method to the madness and a reason why people don't get fired. On paper AMR is bleeding cash, but when you erase your losses by depreciating other things and take advance of the U.S.A Tax system AMR is not doing as bad as people are making it out to be. As far as Eagle, the company will get an extension on the contract that will last until 2020 so Eagle is about to continue having it's labor stability. Eagle will probably remain wholly owned unless someone buys us. AMR like to be in control and Eagle is profitable just a bit more expensive, you will see a max exudes at Eagle and with in the first 1,000 pilots hire at AA being composed of nearly 2/3 of Eagle pilots out longevity is about to decrease significantly. This is why we will hire over 600 pilots this year and looking to continue hiring at the same rate into next year.

FranksNBeans 10-20-2011 07:11 AM

What,

That is the most lucid and thoughtful response I have seen on this entire forum.

THANK YOU.

embraer 10-20-2011 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by Texas Flyer (Post 1072287)
I have a serious question for all you Eagle pilots with family's and/or responsibilities. In December of 2007 I was hired with ExpressJet and was told to expect a class in January, well the economy tanked and long store short, I quit a descent flying gig for ExpressJet and class eventually cancelled, so I was out of a job. I ended up changing careers to please my wife (now ex) and became a cop. I have been a cop for a couple years now and really enjoy it but miss being a pilot even more. I applied with Eagle in August and was offered a job on September 15. I have a mortgage, child support and a ton of bills courtesy of my wonderful (sarcasm) ex-wife. I know I will be taking a substaintial pay cut for the first couple of years at the airlines and I am ok with that. My question is with all the rumors with AMR filing for chapter 11, is it a good time for me to quit another decent job only to have class cancelled or make it through training only to be one of the lucky ones to be furloughed. What would you do? This is my first post and would really prefer only mature responses. Thanks in advance!

I'm typing this on my ipad so forgive me for not giving a more detailed response.

Long story short: yes, it is very much worth it coming to Eagle now. With all the movement and people they are hiring you will move up the seniority list prety fast.

As for first year pay and a few months at the bottom of the seniority list, its like pulling off a bandaid. Just do it and get it over with because life becomes very good soon afterwards. Eagle is not going anywhere and AMR is desperate to lock us into a long term deal. Upgrades are at 4 1/2 years right now and dropping, so it is a great time to come over.

Cruz5350 10-20-2011 09:55 AM

Really you just need to take a step back and look at how this is going to affect your relationship with your son.

CrustyFE 10-20-2011 10:21 AM

Speaking of iPads, any early reviews of the EFB?

At this point, the iPads have to be supplied by the individual pilot who wants to try the program. I'm pretty sure that will change if the iPad is mandated.

In2theBlue 10-20-2011 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by CrustyFE (Post 1072511)
Speaking of iPads, any early reviews of the EFB?

At this point, the iPads have to be supplied by the individual pilot who wants to try the program. I'm pretty sure that will change if the iPad is mandated.

Can you elaborate on this a little more? Im an Eagle new hire starting class soon, and I have an Ipad. Does Eagle have a EFB program thats allowed to be used if you own the pad?

Texas Flyer 10-20-2011 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1072498)
Really you just need to take a step back and look at how this is going to affect your relationship with your son.

How did you know I have a son?!

Texas Flyer 10-20-2011 12:02 PM

Thanks for the posts so far guys.

bcpilot 10-20-2011 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by Texas Flyer (Post 1072287)
I have a serious question for all you Eagle pilots with family's and/or responsibilities. In December of 2007 I was hired with ExpressJet and was told to expect a class in January, well the economy tanked and long store short, I quit a descent flying gig for ExpressJet and class eventually cancelled, so I was out of a job. I ended up changing careers to please my wife (now ex) and became a cop. I have been a cop for a couple years now and really enjoy it but miss being a pilot even more. I applied with Eagle in August and was offered a job on September 15. I have a mortgage, child support and a ton of bills courtesy of my wonderful (sarcasm) ex-wife. I know I will be taking a substaintial pay cut for the first couple of years at the airlines and I am ok with that. My question is with all the rumors with AMR filing for chapter 11, is it a good time for me to quit another decent job only to have class cancelled or make it through training only to be one of the lucky ones to be furloughed. What would you do? This is my first post and would really prefer only mature responses. Thanks in advance!

If you want to be extra careful, there is a way, I don't know if your employer will allow it. You can take a leave of absense or unpaid leave from your current job for a year or so. If things work out & you like what you get, then send your resignation, if not, just go back.

I don't blame you, Once bitten twice Shy........

shfo 10-20-2011 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by In2theBlue (Post 1072540)
Can you elaborate on this a little more? Im an Eagle new hire starting class soon, and I have an Ipad. Does Eagle have a EFB program thats allowed to be used if you own the pad?

You have to buy it. You can only use it for AOM and FM1 (aircraft and company manuals) and you can only use it above 10,000. On top of that you still have to carry all your books.

So anyone who does this voluntarily needs to have their head examined.


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