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PilotJ3 01-08-2012 07:16 PM



Originally Posted by FL450 (Post 1114356)
I've heard something very similar except the source was a lot more concrete than a check airman. Possibly good things to come (at AA that is) but as we all know only time will tell.

Disclaimer: if you ask me a question on here and don't answer its only because I don't come on this forum but once or twice a year!

Well if good things are to come at AA then good things for Eagle pilots considering the preferential hiring.
I Dont think that pref hiring will happen in less Than 5 years.

flysooner9 01-08-2012 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1114381)
I Dont think that pref hiring will happen in less Than 5 years.

Probably right. But it would at least help if they took the 824 this year

Red Forman 01-08-2012 08:06 PM

Wingtips, when are you going to take an English language class and actually learn how to make a complete sentence without spelling and punctuation mistakes?

subrat 01-09-2012 12:36 AM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1113728)
That you for that off the wall outlandish comment, that is nonfactual. Please provide me with why in your OPINION the TA would have resulted in furloughing into the amounts of 400+....Do you think that we will hold our traction on keeping flying if we stand up and block PBS? What do you think the negatives would have been to being divested as opposed to now being wholly owned and in BK? I would like to know what you truly think each outcome would result in, as opposed to just using "STOP TALKING, GOJET is hiring" as your 'talking point'.

I flew with many senior "experienced" capt's that predicted exactly what would happen to a T...First our MEC would give away all our airplanes to AA so they could add more debt to file Bankruptcy-Check...Second they would try and divest us as fast as possible and try to get us to extend our contract-Check...Push it down our throat and scare us that its our only hope before the end of the year because they are planning a bankruptcy before the 4Q earnings-Check....The only reason we didn't get divested was because managment knew that TA would never pass...If we were divested right now they would walk right up to the judge and bid out our flying... We would not be part of AA and just have a contract like all the other contracts they are trying to void threw bankruptcy..Remeber our MEC gave away our rights to go with the aircraft...Its going to be harder to convince the judge to diversify the feed when AA owns 3200+ eagle pilots...Comair ****ed off delta when they had a strike and grounded delta to a halt..Why do you think airlines whipsaw their regionals now?..guess what? we can't strike because we gave that right up and that TA would of extended our current contract 8 more years...It doesn't matter now because its all in the judges hands and can go in any direction...This was all planned in advance and out of our hands.

FYI I was just saying your cool with pbs and giving in to what managment wants....Gojet might be a better fit for you... ;)

I wrote this on my Iphone so the spelling and grammer are very poor :)

Stryker 01-09-2012 04:51 AM

Don't you mean grammar?? Haha sorry I just had to...

Wingtips 01-09-2012 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by subrat (Post 1114473)
I flew with many senior "experienced" capt's that predicted exactly what would happen to a T...First our MEC would give away all our airplanes to AA so they could add more debt to file Bankruptcy-Check...Second they would try and divest us as fast as possible and try to get us to extend our contract-Check...Push it down our throat and scare us that its our only hope before the end of the year because they are planning a bankruptcy before the 4Q earnings-Check....The only reason we didn't get divested was because managment knew that TA would never pass...If we were divested right now they would walk right up to the judge and bid out our flying... We would not be part of AA and just have a contract like all the other contracts they are trying to void threw bankruptcy..Remeber our MEC gave away our rights to go with the aircraft...Its going to be harder to convince the judge to diversify the feed when AA owns 3200+ eagle pilots...Comair ****ed off delta when they had a strike and grounded delta to a halt..Why do you think airlines whipsaw their regionals now?..guess what? we can't strike because we gave that right up and that TA would of extended our current contract 8 more years...It doesn't matter now because its all in the judges hands and can go in any direction...This was all planned in advance and out of our hands.

FYI I was just saying your cool with pbs and giving in to what managment wants....Gojet might be a better fit for you... ;)

I wrote this on my Iphone so the spelling and grammer are very poor :)


Damn man you seem to have it all figured out, sounds like a real conspiracy. Do you think that AMR might have actually faked 9/11 so that they could force paycuts, they knew 11 years ago, that they wanted to get pay cuts out of American Eagle pilots?? I bet they got UAL to join right in, and even Bush liked the idea so he could invade Iraq??

eaglefly 01-09-2012 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 1114410)
Wingtips, when are you going to take an English language class and actually learn how to make a complete sentence without spelling and punctuation mistakes?

You're expecting this from a supposed professional airline pilot that advocates pilots making $31 per hour to fly an Airbus and would happily propose that to his beloved management in order to do just that if he can successfully seize another carriers planes ?

He's too busy pushing other pilots down tall stairways to have any time for class. :cool:

JUG47 01-09-2012 04:00 PM


Damn man you seem to have it all figured out, sounds like a real conspiracy. Do you think that AMR might have actually faked 9/11 so that they could force paycuts, they knew 11 years ago, that they wanted to get pay cuts out of American Eagle pilots?? I bet they got UAL to join right in, and even Bush liked the idea so he could invade Iraq??
You have no idea how lucky we are to have your opinion :-/
However, you ain't quite as smart as you seem to think.

odog1121 01-09-2012 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1114583)
You're expecting this from a supposed professional airline pilot that advocates pilots making $31 per hour to fly an Airbus and would happily propose that to his beloved management in order to do just that if he can successfully seize another carriers planes ?

He's too busy pushing other pilots down tall stairways to have any time for class. :cool:

Well, that sentiment generally come from our more experienced lifer professional pilots that wants to fly the Airbus for $115/hr and stick the FOs with $40/hr because we need to pay our dues. I would say close to 100% of FOs in the regionals would not want to see this type of scale anywhere. OTOH, I know quite a few bitter senior CAs here that have so much hatred for the APA that they've said to me, "I hope they f'ing strike, I'll go over there and fly the 777."

Mason32 01-10-2012 03:12 AM



Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 1113569)
And some people are drowning themselves in doom and gloom. I highly doubt well see pay cuts since we're all ready about industry avg. the main worry we have would be a reduction in our fleet.

Ummm, industry average? Eagle's the second highest cost behind Comair. As far as doom and gloom, yeah many are but you always hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Facts are facts. AA pays Eagle market rates for the feed service. That makes Eagle industry average. Eagle may have a smaller profit margin due to a more senior workforce being on higher step pay rates, but that doesn't change the fact that Eagle is industry average already.

It doesn't matter anyway, from what I've seen this past year and a half their MEC will roll over on whatever management wants. Expect sizable changes.


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