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RJ Pilot 01-15-2011 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 930492)
my crosswind landings are bigger than your crosswind landings!!

I would lay low for now if I were you, considering you haven't even passed Basic indoc yet.

DayTripper12 01-15-2011 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by FLowpayFO (Post 930411)
I may be the only one to say this, but I disliked the ATR very much. To me it felt as a very clumsy flying airplane, especially on a crosswind landing. That said, I hope to never fly it again, ice scares me and ATR's don't have a good track record.

Just got to know how to use some rudder and it ain't that bad. Track record? One icing accident within Eagle due to ice in 20yrs and suddenly it has a bad record. In that case every airplane has a bad track record because they all have had flaws.

FLowpayFO 01-15-2011 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 930461)
Perhaps you struggle on crosswind landing due to the fact that you don't have basic aviation knowledge. If ice scares you,you are in the wrong business then son. Clearly you aren't captain Material.


Did I offend you with my statement? My mistake RJ, I should have stated **SEVERE ICING** conditions scare me, and rightfully so. You've read to deep into my post, simply put I do not take icing conditions lightly, I'm very vigilant in those conditions and keep alert. Safety is my number one concern, as I want to go home at the end of the day. Complacency and aviation is a dangerous combo, but you know this, right Captain?

And jumping to conclusions stating I'm not Captain material after one post? Now that highlights your character, coming onto an internet forum to bash others :rolleyes:, have fun being "that guy".

FLowpayFO 01-15-2011 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 930476)
I'll admit it is the hardest airplane to land consistently smooth for me at this point in my career. As far as crosswind landings, it is a handful but after practice and use of basic crosswind landing techniques it can be done. Just like any other airplane, the more experience you get in the ATR the better things become.

I felt it was easy in the sense putting in crosswind techniques and lining it up straight, almost felt like a giant 172 in that sense. What I found interesting about the airplane was once you touched down, it loved to dance around after you put the props into reverse, with the added combo having a high wing, trailing link gear, and lots of rudder input to keep it on centerline, it made you work hard for a good landing.

DayTripper12, I'm not referring only to Eagle, there have been quite a few that have gone down/had incidents due to icing conditions, don't quote me though.

bailee atr 01-15-2011 10:40 AM

Sever icing is nothing to play with in any airplane. More so on t-props. You don't have the power to climb above so you options become more limited. Speed is you friend in icing conditions and that is some thing the ATR lacks in.
Now for landings, the 42 and 212a are very similar. The straight 212 is a totally different plane on landings. You get used to it.

P56C 01-15-2011 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by bailee atr (Post 930570)
Sever icing is nothing to play with in any airplane. More so on t-props. You don't have the power to climb above so you options become more limited. Speed is you friend in icing conditions and that is some thing the ATR lacks in.
Now for landings, the 42 and 212a are very similar. The straight 212 is a totally different plane on landings. You get used to it.

+1 for sure.

lakehouse 01-15-2011 11:48 AM

It was a joke? Clearly the internet is bad at sarcasm, your also assuming I am going to Eagle.


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 930503)
I would lay low for now if I were you, considering you haven't even passed Basic indoc yet.


eaglefly 01-15-2011 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by DayTripper12 (Post 930517)
Just got to know how to use some rudder and it ain't that bad. Track record? One icing accident within Eagle due to ice in 20yrs and suddenly it has a bad record. In that case every airplane has a bad track record because they all have had flaws.

A fatal crash in Italy, at least 4 loss of control incidents at Eagle (3 of which were almost crashes @ KDTW and KCWA), numerous ice related incidents at other carriers including Continental Express (KEWR) and Trans World Express (KSTL) is hardly a hiccup.

Might I suggest a little research prior to going off half-cocked about which you know apparently nothing about cowboy ?

DayTripper12 01-15-2011 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 930596)
It was a joke? Clearly the internet is bad at sarcasm, your also assuming I am going to Eagle.

Well clearly it's Eagle you are coming to by your previous posts. Any who, I think they are just impling that just cause you got hired, don't let your head get to big where you can't fit out the door. A bad attitude will get you a bad rap real fast here (not saying you have one), and that will make your probationary reviews no bueno. Best thing you can do is keep a low profile your first year until your probation is over, than be as sarcastic as you want. It's a great place to work by the way.

ERJF15 01-15-2011 12:32 PM

Vacancy bid just went out. Nothing big. Just reshuffling.

09 ORD CA CRJ
42 ORD FO CRJ
06 LGA CA CRJ
18 LGA FO CRJ
16 DFW FO EMJ
09 JFK CA EMJ
05 JFK FO EMJ
05 MIA CA EMJ
26 MIA FO EMJ
05 LGA CA EMJ
17 ORD FO EMJ
02 DFW CA ATR


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