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Old 05-09-2010 | 05:58 PM
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Let's hope not. Where did you hear that?
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Old 05-09-2010 | 06:00 PM
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Not exactly sure where you heard about us loosing any EAS flying in those markets officially, but I think you will see some EAS routes being out-bid by other airline. I can almost 100% assure you that PNCL Holdings will bid these routes, but whether they can afford to fly them at the subsidized rates is speculation at this point.
Also, even if we hypothetically were to loose this flying. It only effects THREE lines of flying, and we have the NE for the summer and likely will pick-up more markets for UEX in the fall. The sum total of all this will be a wash, equaling more growth in actual number of pilots on the property, because we have firm orders for 30 "Qs" thru the end of 2011 and another 15 more in 2013. SAAB is on it's way out, and so is EAS flying at Colgan Air (eventually) and wouldn't be surprised to see PNCL announce more orders for even more "Qs" once the code-share shell game is completed at both Delta and United/Continental. The landscape in the airline business can and must change. More consolidation, less mainline flying and more large turboprops...Someone is going to pull the trigger on the Q-400X (90 seater) in the next couple of years also...

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Old 05-09-2010 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AxialFlow
Word is that some of the EAS is going away (PKB, JST, AOO, BKW, SHD)

With the loss of this flying, how many does this translate to furlough-wise?
According to this article, Gulfstream was chosen to operate PKB.

I've found this article online stating that Gulfstream and a few other companies have bid less money for JST/AOO but the local govt. would prefer to continue with Colgan with flights to IAD.

Haven't been able to find anything on BKW/SHD. As stated above, my guess is it all works itself out. But what do I know?
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Old 05-09-2010 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TristarJS30
According to this article, Gulfstream was chosen to operate PKB.
Not that I care, but 4 flights a day on 19 seats vs. 2 flights a day on 34 seats is only a net gain of 8 passengers. IAD gives far more connection options than CLE. I think PKB pax lose on this deal.
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Old 05-09-2010 | 06:20 PM
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It doesn't matter what happens about the EAS routes, and your fearmongering sounds just like the DAL/NWA guys who were screaming FURLOUGHS!!! every week for the past two years, until this week when DAL announced new hires, which is kind of like furloughing, but different.
Colgan will hire indefinitely. Maybe it will slow down in 2013 or later.
Not everyone has to resign seniority.

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Old 05-09-2010 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BE19Pilot
Not exactly sure where you heard about us loosing any EAS flying in those markets officially, but I think you will see some EAS routes being out-bid by other airline. I can almost 100% (You just live a more sure life than I live, even high certainty in my life is something like 90%) assure you that PNCL Holdings will bid these routes, but whether they can afford to fly them at the subsidized rates is speculation at this point.
Also, even if we hypothetically were to loose(Your tie is loose, you would lose flying, yes it matters.) this flying. It only effects THREE lines of flying, and we have the NE for the summer and likely will pick-up more markets for UEX in the fall. The sum total of all this will be a wash, equaling more growth in actual number of pilots on the property, because we have firm orders for 30 "Qs" (Actually you have 15 Firm orders and another 30 total options, you'd think you'd know that working there) thru the end of 2011 and another 15 more in 2013. SAAB is on it's way out(Agreed), and so is EAS flying at Colgan Air (eventually) and wouldn't be surprised to see PNCL announce more orders for even more "Qs" once the code-share shell game is completed at both Delta and United/Continental(Delta doesn't want turboprops Q or not, United/Continental depends on who's scope wins. If New United keeps 70 seat jet scope then Q's may or may not be in demand, if by some miracle Continentals 50 seat jet scope prevails then the Q would be in demand, assuming the merged group doesn't close the loophole now that it's exposed). The landscape in the airline business can and must change.(Agreed) More consolidation, less mainline flying and more large turboprops(Maybe, we as pilots should hope for more mainline not less since if you're working at Colgan you're probably looking for a quick upgrade and PIC turbine to move to a major, no major flying no moving on from bad contract... )...Someone is going to pull the trigger on the Q-400X (90 seater) (Gosh lets hope not, unless there's some increase in pay lets hope the race to the bottom doesn't continue) in the next couple of years also...

Regards, and happy speculating!

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No idea whether they will lose the EAS flying but I will comment you are one EAGER fella. See above for any other comments.
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Old 05-09-2010 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Hi!

It doesn't matter what happens about the EAS routes, and your fearmongering sounds just like the DAL/NWA guys who were screaming FURLOUGHS!!! every week for the past two years, until this week when DAL announced new hires, which is kind of like furloughing, but different.
Colgan will hire indefinitely. Maybe it will slow down in 2013 or later.
Not everyone has to resign seniority.

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It may not be a bad thing to lose a few EAS routes for the Saab. There is going to be so much growth over the next 3 years any flying lost will not be felt in staffing, we are going to need many pilots in the years to come and a loss in a few EAS routes may limit the need for street ca's down the road...if it comes to that.
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Old 05-09-2010 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
No idea whether they will lose the EAS flying but I will comment you are one EAGER fella. See above for any other comments.
Hey, thanks a lot for the assist with the syntax, grammar and spelling lesson. Personally, I could care less if this turd of an airline actually succeeds in the long-term. And, for the record...I have ALREADY had the upgrade...HAVE 2000+ PIC turbine and have NO ambition to "move onto a major". There is no major airline on my horizon, and if I didn't have to be here now for the second time I sure as hell wouldn't be. So, thanks again for your input and display of pompous ignorance, because obviously you don't work at 9L (lucky for you)...Probably another XJET tool that's dragging in that POS Brazilian ramp FOD at 140 knots on a 10-mile final...
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Old 05-09-2010 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BE19Pilot
Hey, thanks a lot for the assist with the syntax, grammar and spelling lesson. Personally, I could care less if this turd of an airline actually succeeds in the long-term. And, for the record...I have ALREADY had the upgrade...HAVE 2000+ PIC turbine and have NO ambition to "move onto a major". There is no major airline on my horizon, and if I didn't have to be here now for the second time I sure as hell wouldn't be. So, thanks again for your input and display of pompous ignorance, because obviously you don't work at 9L (lucky for you)...Probably another XJET tool that's dragging in that POS Brazilian ramp FOD at 140 knots on a 10-mile final...
You're welcome And the rest of my post was a pretty fair assesment. Once again, it's 15 more firm Q's and 30 options, just to be clear who exactly is ignorant. And I'm not sure how XJET would feel about your comment towards their airline.
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Old 05-10-2010 | 01:53 AM
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Personally, I could care less about what any XJET people have to say about my comments about their airline. Furthermore, I am glad that you have all the inside information on the future of "my" airline.
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