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05-29-2010 | 01:23 PM
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Listen kids...I don't think anyone is going to get excited about this whole SLI process. Us RAH folks think it's gone on long enough, FAPA obviously sees something they don't like, and management is probably laughing all the way to the bank. The simple fact of the matter is you don't invade Russia in the winter and you don't fight a war on 2 fronts. Valuable resources are being used aruging amongst ourselves when RAH should be using them on a new contract. A contract that we should be getting the assistance from our more experienced FAPA coworkers but aren't...cuz they don't want anything to do with us.
The simple fact of the matter is that 2 lists working under 2 contracts is only good for the company...not any of the pilot groups. I'm not advocating some hastily thrown-together decision that does not recognize the role F9 pilots have played in keeping their company afloat...but I also think that they are not really recognizing just how untenable their position was before RAH came along.
The simple fact of the matter is that 2 lists working under 2 contracts is only good for the company...not any of the pilot groups. I'm not advocating some hastily thrown-together decision that does not recognize the role F9 pilots have played in keeping their company afloat...but I also think that they are not really recognizing just how untenable their position was before RAH came along.
05-29-2010 | 02:09 PM
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From: ERJ FO
I guess I shouldn't be surprised by any of this. I don't think there is a single person out there who thought this would be a smooth or easy process. My prediction is it will get worse before it gets better.
Regarding the representation issues brought up and the supposed "IBT Propaganda Machine"; I wouldn't doubt this for a second in retrospect. I think the biggest benefit of integrating lists is a fast track to self-representation via FAPA. Hopefully a lot of RAH pilots see it that way as well.
05-29-2010 | 03:59 PM
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That is not even close to what I was saying. I'm saying that FAPA obviously does not like the way the proceedings seem to be going and are trying to prove a point to strengthen their case. I don't know what is or why, I'm just saying that's the way it appears to someone on the outside looking in that only receives vague updates from the IBT.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised by any of this. I don't think there is a single person out there who thought this would be a smooth or easy process. My prediction is it will get worse before it gets better.
Regarding the representation issues brought up and the supposed "IBT Propaganda Machine"; I wouldn't doubt this for a second in retrospect. I think the biggest benefit of integrating lists is a fast track to self-representation via FAPA. Hopefully a lot of RAH pilots see it that way as well.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised by any of this. I don't think there is a single person out there who thought this would be a smooth or easy process. My prediction is it will get worse before it gets better.
Regarding the representation issues brought up and the supposed "IBT Propaganda Machine"; I wouldn't doubt this for a second in retrospect. I think the biggest benefit of integrating lists is a fast track to self-representation via FAPA. Hopefully a lot of RAH pilots see it that way as well.
05-30-2010 | 09:23 AM
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When I say "FAPA" I am not referring to the current operation they have over there. Assume "FAPA" really means "RAPA" and is simply meant to be an in-house union where we represent ourselves. By "we" I mean all the RAH, F9, YX, and Lynx guys around. Self-Representation means your dues go to protect your job and there is no conflict of interest when it comes to contract negotiation. IBT has bumbled around for years with no real results.
05-30-2010 | 07:11 PM
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Not Frontier but I would like to see when it could be implemented. There isn't a lot of history and or precedent to support the use of Force Majuer.
05-30-2010 | 09:35 PM
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"Force Majeure" can be enacted by bb with the current republic contract or loa 39. "Adverse economic conditions" is a pretty broad statement...that is what republic has in their current cba.
05-31-2010 | 03:37 AM
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Adverse economic conditions can happen any day of the week. All I'm afraid of is if we don't implement the sli, a whipsaw will ensue. Our management has already tried it once. It seems like this is what they really want.
05-31-2010 | 06:00 AM
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Again, how do we do that? We have no contract the gives guidance on how that is done. You are putting the cart in front of the horse here.
05-31-2010 | 04:20 PM
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I am sorry, are you implying that BB can change the RAH CBA when economic times get rough? I think not. They can change the F9 contract though in the aforementioned conditions. Correct me if I am wrong, but if I am right about the F9 contract, they are in for some rough times ahead.
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