Regional F/O's with no ATP/PIC..Are we hosed?
06-29-2010, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DashGirl
Just thinking out loud I guess...I'm one of those who currently work at a shrinking regional with no chance of upgrade and the threat of unemployment looming. Seems many companies are starting to hire. A lot of great opportunites are opening especially with foreign carriers. But wait...no ATP and no PIC turbine...Seems some of us SIC's, even those of us with over 3000 hrs tt may get left out in the cold.
If the so called pilot shortage actually hits, then I suppose we will find work to advance our careers, but numbers I'm seeing on mainline retirements are not exactly encouraging.
So us suckers that came in low-time that never got the ATP and the 1000 PIC flying boxes may very well have to face the music of our shortcut. We seem to be stuck in a wierd place of meeting the tt and multi mins of nearly everyone hiring but without the ATP and PIC time we are stuck. It's frustrating.
Sorry, I'm just venting...I'm sick of living paycheck to paycheck watching job after job come open that I don't qualify for as my SIC tt climbs into the 3500 hr range....
Sigh...I HATE that f'n ATP! It's hard to justify paying for it myself when getting any PIC turbine ain't gonna happen anyway...
Again..I'm just crying in my beer as Cathay Pac and JAL is hiring but me no have stoopid PIC time...Sorry.
I guess all I really can do is relax, be thankful I have a flying job at all and hope for the best....
If the so called pilot shortage actually hits, then I suppose we will find work to advance our careers, but numbers I'm seeing on mainline retirements are not exactly encouraging.
So us suckers that came in low-time that never got the ATP and the 1000 PIC flying boxes may very well have to face the music of our shortcut. We seem to be stuck in a wierd place of meeting the tt and multi mins of nearly everyone hiring but without the ATP and PIC time we are stuck. It's frustrating.
Sorry, I'm just venting...I'm sick of living paycheck to paycheck watching job after job come open that I don't qualify for as my SIC tt climbs into the 3500 hr range....
Sigh...I HATE that f'n ATP! It's hard to justify paying for it myself when getting any PIC turbine ain't gonna happen anyway...
Again..I'm just crying in my beer as Cathay Pac and JAL is hiring but me no have stoopid PIC time...Sorry.
I guess all I really can do is relax, be thankful I have a flying job at all and hope for the best....
Dude, there will be no pilot shortage in the next 10+ years. Make your current job better!
06-29-2010, 10:24 AM
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ATP and Type Rating
Dashgirl,
If you go to Compass, you will get the ATP, plus a PIC type rating in the ERJ170/190. That is worth quite a bit, even if you are still a Regional FO. With the flow throughs, upgrade is likely in 2 to 3 years, assuming that the current trends continue. If you don't have enough PIC for the ATP, go rent a 150 to get it so you can qualify for the ATP with Compass.
Good luck! I am addicted too!
ATL
If you go to Compass, you will get the ATP, plus a PIC type rating in the ERJ170/190. That is worth quite a bit, even if you are still a Regional FO. With the flow throughs, upgrade is likely in 2 to 3 years, assuming that the current trends continue. If you don't have enough PIC for the ATP, go rent a 150 to get it so you can qualify for the ATP with Compass.
Good luck! I am addicted too!
ATL
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06-29-2010, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PacNWflyer
when were you hired at Piedmont? I was there back in 06--stayed for a few months to get 121 time on my resume, then went to a "respectable regional" with lots of growth. smartest thing i could have done.
day after day i flew with Piedmont captains that told me to, "get the hell out of here," and "call my son at chatauqua, this place is going nowhere."
i feel as though the writing has been on the wall at that place for a while, just curious why you didnt bail earlier to another regional. skywest and republic were hiring in droves back in 07.
day after day i flew with Piedmont captains that told me to, "get the hell out of here," and "call my son at chatauqua, this place is going nowhere."
i feel as though the writing has been on the wall at that place for a while, just curious why you didnt bail earlier to another regional. skywest and republic were hiring in droves back in 07.
Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
Dashgirl,
If you go to Compass, you will get the ATP, plus a PIC type rating in the ERJ700/900. That is worth quite a bit, even if you are still a Regional FO. With the flow throughs, upgrade is likely in 2 to 3 years, assuming that the current trends continue. If you don't have enough PIC for the ATP, go rent a 150 to get it so you can qualify for the ATP with Compass.
Good luck! I am addicted too!
ATL
If you go to Compass, you will get the ATP, plus a PIC type rating in the ERJ700/900. That is worth quite a bit, even if you are still a Regional FO. With the flow throughs, upgrade is likely in 2 to 3 years, assuming that the current trends continue. If you don't have enough PIC for the ATP, go rent a 150 to get it so you can qualify for the ATP with Compass.
Good luck! I am addicted too!
ATL
06-29-2010, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
Dashgirl,
If you go to Compass, you will get the ATP, plus a PIC type rating in the ERJ700/900. That is worth quite a bit, even if you are still a Regional FO. With the flow throughs, upgrade is likely in 2 to 3 years, assuming that the current trends continue. If you don't have enough PIC for the ATP, go rent a 150 to get it so you can qualify for the ATP with Compass.
Good luck! I am addicted too!
ATL
If you go to Compass, you will get the ATP, plus a PIC type rating in the ERJ700/900. That is worth quite a bit, even if you are still a Regional FO. With the flow throughs, upgrade is likely in 2 to 3 years, assuming that the current trends continue. If you don't have enough PIC for the ATP, go rent a 150 to get it so you can qualify for the ATP with Compass.
Good luck! I am addicted too!
ATL
06-29-2010, 11:22 AM
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im my opinion, they are all apples and oranges. Go to wherever u can upgrade fastest, stay curret, keep your nose clean. Dont bounce in between these regionals, and stay positive. There are jobs out there for whatever u want to fly. U mite have to go overseas, etc., but keep plugn away dashgirl.
06-29-2010, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by EmbraerFlyer
I hate being that guy but what's a ERJ700/900.
SorryFWIW, I took a King Air gig to get TPIC instead of going to a regional. Also, AirTran doesn't (or didn't 2 years ago) pay for hotel if you live within 90 miles of the training facility.
06-29-2010, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotrob23
im my opinion, they are all apples and oranges. Go to wherever u can upgrade fastest, stay curret, keep your nose clean. Dont bounce in between these regionals, and stay positive. There are jobs out there for whatever u want to fly. U mite have to go overseas, etc., but keep plugn away dashgirl.
06-29-2010, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DashGirl
I'd say I'm addicted to it. I don't think I could ever deal with a regular 9 to 5 job ever again. "Addiction" being the perfect metaphoric term here.
Originally Posted by PacNWflyer
when were you hired at Piedmont? I was there back in 06--stayed for a few months to get 121 time on my resume, then went to a "respectable regional" with lots of growth. smartest thing i could have done.
Originally Posted by PacNWflyer
day after day i flew with Piedmont captains that told me to, "get the hell out of here," and "call my son at chatauqua, this place is going nowhere."
Originally Posted by MD80
Dude, there will be no pilot shortage in the next 10+ years. Make your current job better!
Originally Posted by pilotrob23
im my opinion, they are all apples and oranges. Go to wherever u can upgrade fastest, stay curret, keep your nose clean. Dont bounce in between these regionals, and stay positive. There are jobs out there for whatever u want to fly. U mite have to go overseas, etc., but keep plugn away dashgirl.
Example, if one could get hired at GoJets and to a lesser extent, MESA, upgrade quick, and get out fast, does that mean that they should go there? You don't need to answer, it's a rhetorical question.
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