rdneckpilot

Well if you don't like the integration the responsibility will fall squarely on the shoulders of the arbitrator. Based on what I have heard each pilot group's integration reps have asked for the most favorable conditions for their respective pilot group, just as they should. The final decision is in the hands of the arbitrator. At least Rat will not be able to blame that on the RAH pilots.

likeitis

No you aren't. When was your last negotiating session with the company? Remember your worthless union can't walk and chew bubble gum.

Killer51883

and your worthless union cant negotiate a scope clause

KiloAlpha

oh snap...

ToiletDuck

To be honest you are correct that negotiations ceased for a period of time. It wasn't because of inept leadership. The union did what was best for the pilot group. It might not have felt great but it was the best course of action with hindsight being 20/20.

There was a lot of progress made until a realization happened that a certain individual was abusing his position within the union for personal benefit. That has since been corrected. After his removal the best course of action then seemed to halt contract negotiations until integration was complete. Why? Because it's hard to strike or bargain when there's no single seniority list.

I understand your distaste for the situation but try and be a little more professional about it. There's not a single person on this list that has chosen to be put in this situation. New fleet types along with additional certificates and a complete change to the business structure means things need to take time to be done correctly. Don't get me wrong I wish like no other that a new contract was in place yesterday but I won't pretend I'm ignorant enough to not understand why it isn't. Things worth having take time. Slowing things down to give us more leverage going forward definitely wasn't the easy road. Knock it all you'd like but anyone that takes a moment to look at the situation will know better. Sooner or later you're going to have to realize things are better when working together rather than taking cheap shots when able.

SUX4U

Damn...burn of the week right there!

F9er

Burn of the week?? I think everyone seems to forget to easily that those guys stood up for what was right and tried to preserve everyones careers. It still makes me sick when I'm flying and am told to follow the "Midwest" aircraft. It was the teamsters that gladly stepped in and started flying this 100 err 99 seat aircraft.

As for the sli, I personally think it will take years before we ever see a rah pilot on the f9 cert. Let's just pray we are not single carrier status so we can preserve what's right for our f9 first officers.

ToiletDuck

Actually there's a grievance on the 99 seat aircraft. Wanting to stay separate is a death sentence. Integration needs to be completed.

willflyforcash

watch out for the ole' whip sawwwww if you stay separate.

zoooropa

Ok, we are drifting here but this is just something that make zero sense to me.

Assume for a minute that the NMB decides we are a single carrier, and then the IBT prevails in the representation drive. We are all IBT members, and there is already an IBT CBA in place. A combined/almagamated CBA will result using the existing IBT CBA.

If the IBT had continued their Section 6 negotiations and improved ANY section of the current CBA, we would all benefit from it in the combined CBA. Instead, we are stuck with the current POS CBA.

No workrules.
No duty limits.
No retirement.
No cancellation pay.
No training or vacation conflict drop protection.
Article 7 Vacancies is such an abomination that I just can't continue to read the rest of the CBA.

Why the IBT is sitting on their arses and not negotiating is simply mindboggling. The company is actually equally surprised, and pleased, at the IBT's complete lack of planning and representation.

If this scenario plays out, will the IBT then restart the Section 6 negotiations? Congrats, you just wasted two plus years at the table. That is two additional years of working under the same workrules and pay.