Reserve work rules at various regionals
08-19-2010 | 08:15 AM
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The FAA doesn't care how much rest you've had unless you're acting as a flightcrew member. You could work a full duty day, then the company decides they want you to vacuum the floors in the crew lounge all night and the FAA couldn't care less -- that's what a contract is for. Unfortunately, at ASA, we have no contractual protection pertaining to a max duty day if the last leg is a deadhead. As long as you don't touch the controls (or radios or whatever) without at least 8 hours of uninterrupted rest in the previous 24, you are not violating any FARs.
08-19-2010 | 08:44 AM
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That's ASA. If there is a loophole, they will find it and stick it up your arse. There are some things the SkyWest pilots were right about with BH and this is one of them. He'll give you a hug and reach for your wallet.
08-20-2010 | 05:24 AM
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The min duty credit is per duty period, not per day, so high-speeds are only worth 3.5 (unless they block more, obviously).
You don't get pay credit if you don't work on reserve. You get 3.5 credit if you call in sick or have ALPA leave, etc.
You can be scheduled for up to 14 hours duty for an assignment and delays can take you up to 16.
Duty assignments are made after 12:00pm the day prior and reserve periods are assigned after duty assignments. Crappy system for commuters.
Bucket system is used. Buckets are called silos at Compass for some reason.
Flying varies greatly depending on month, base, and position.
Ready reserve periods are up to eight hours long. You can be assigned an assignment up to one hour past the end of the ready reserve period, but can't be assigned something a short call reserve could do.
PM reserve goes to next pilot in the two day silo, AM reserve goes to next pilot in the one day silo.
08-20-2010 | 07:03 AM
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I'm not sure what your issue here is. I'm sure AWAC, like pretty much every other place counts every hour flown towards your guarantee. So I guess another way to look at it is if you get used less than 75 hours, then the company was paying you to do nothing (or paying you more per hour that you did fly). A lot of guys whine about being phone liable and within 2 hours of the airport all day and I get that, it does clip your wings a bit. But in this modern age of cell phones you can, for the most part, still enjoy your normal daily life. Go to a movie, the mall, the gym, a park, the lake, float in the pool, work in the yard, whatever. Hell, keep your bag in your car and you can pretty much go anywhere and do anything and still make it to the airport in 2 hours. You don't have to sit and stare at your house phone all day long.
08-20-2010 | 07:20 AM
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From: PA-32 CA, CE-525 CA
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10 days off per month
14 hours a day
do not bid for a reserve "line" planning picks and chooses your days and if you need specific days off you will not get them
currently short staffed fly everyday
when you start duty you are their b$%@h until you call off duty on the last day
10 days off per month
14 hours a day
do not bid for a reserve "line" planning picks and chooses your days and if you need specific days off you will not get them
currently short staffed fly everyday
when you start duty you are their b$%@h until you call off duty on the last day
08-20-2010 | 11:45 AM
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Forgot to add at AWAC
-min 12 days off a month both lineholders and reserve
-2 hour call out for regular and I think 10 min for ready
-ready reserve is an 8 hour shift paid at 4:10 per day, any flying above the 4:10 minutes goes above guarantee
Ready reserve is great if you live in domicile, they just don't have any ready reserve in RDU for me, and if they did I'm sure it would go senior.
For the 4 hour min day if you get used, if you go above 4 hours of flying does it go above your guarantee, or do they just lump it all together like they do here. That's my biggest problem with reserve, your time means absolutely nothing, they figure if they don't use you, even though you've been on call for 15 hours, or 12 in your case, that there should be no value to that day outside of the 75 hour guarantee.
Which, as in your case, staffing has been so low here that it hasn't been an issue lately as we're working basically every day.
-min 12 days off a month both lineholders and reserve
-2 hour call out for regular and I think 10 min for ready
-ready reserve is an 8 hour shift paid at 4:10 per day, any flying above the 4:10 minutes goes above guarantee
Ready reserve is great if you live in domicile, they just don't have any ready reserve in RDU for me, and if they did I'm sure it would go senior.
For the 4 hour min day if you get used, if you go above 4 hours of flying does it go above your guarantee, or do they just lump it all together like they do here. That's my biggest problem with reserve, your time means absolutely nothing, they figure if they don't use you, even though you've been on call for 15 hours, or 12 in your case, that there should be no value to that day outside of the 75 hour guarantee.
Which, as in your case, staffing has been so low here that it hasn't been an issue lately as we're working basically every day.
My last month of RR I did 122 credit and 30 hours of block.
RR has no callout period you just must call them back in 10 mins from paging. You also must be on the airport property. Somewhere. What your definition of "airport property" is though might be pretty liberal. Especially after factoring the 10 min callback period...
LC pays 4:10.
08-20-2010 | 05:16 PM
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Question about the 17 hr duty days on the last day with DHs. If this is true and you are going over 16hrs duty, aren't you violating FAR 121.471b? It requires that you have the min rest of at least 8 hrs in the previous 24 hrs upon the completion of your day. And it also says that DH is not considered part of the rest time. So in a 24 hr period you worked 16, then had 8 left over for 'rest' you couldn't go over 16 because it would put you below 8 hrs of rest in 24 which is in violation of the FARs. And thats not just on the company, but on you also.
Originally Posted by FAR121.471(b)
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule a flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time during the 24 consecutive hours preceding the scheduled completion of any flight segment without a scheduled rest period during that 24 hours of at least the following:
Other terms for Piedmont:
*10 days off/month, generally 4/2/2/2, with the 4-day break being "golden"
*Call out of 75, 90, or 120 minutes, depending on base
*4 hour minimum day, averaged over the trip (i.e. a 3 day trip pays at least 12 hours, though the individual days can pay less than 4, such as 2 hours day 1, 5 hours each days 2 and 3)
*4 hour pay for deadhead only day, not averaged with the rest of a trip
*14 hour on call periods, assigned daily by scheduling. In practice, all reserve periods end at 7pm, except 4am starts, which end at 6pm. A reserve assigned a 10am on call will be on call only 9 hours, until 7pm.
*DH paid 50%
*No airport reserve
*Remain on call after a trip is assigned until report time, but not required to answer the phone after reporting
*If a trip is assigned the day before, you're still on call at 5am before the trip unless told otherwise. Often assigned something like "On call at 0800, report at 0945"
*Can force-move reserve days a few times per year
*72 guarantee
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