Reserve work rules at various regionals
#12
But it isn't considered rest either. If your reserve period is 0800-2000 and they call you at 18:29 (with a 90 minute callout, doesn't matter either way though) they can only use you until Midnight. They don't consider reserve when looking at the contractually (at CHQ) required 14 hour duty day but the FARs take affect with the 8 hours rest in the previous 24 hours.
Also at CHQ once we are notified of a reserve trip we don't have to answer our phone anymore. Just show up and fly your trip.
The Fatigue option is also always a good reservists tool and used often here at CHQ. Just took a plane from a crew that called in fatigued twice in 2 days. Good stuff.
#13
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
For the 4 hour min day if you get used, if you go above 4 hours of flying does it go above your guarantee, or do they just lump it all together like they do here. That's my biggest problem with reserve, your time means absolutely nothing, they figure if they don't use you, even though you've been on call for 15 hours, or 12 in your case, that there should be no value to that day outside of the 75 hour guarantee.
Which, as in your case, staffing has been so low here that it hasn't been an issue lately as we're working basically every day.
Which, as in your case, staffing has been so low here that it hasn't been an issue lately as we're working basically every day.
#14
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I'm not sure what your issue here is. I'm sure AWAC, like pretty much every other place counts every hour flown towards your guarantee. So I guess another way to look at it is if you get used less than 75 hours, then the company was paying you to do nothing (or paying you more per hour that you did fly). A lot of guys whine about being phone liable and within 2 hours of the airport all day and I get that, it does clip your wings a bit. But in this modern age of cell phones you can, for the most part, still enjoy your normal daily life. Go to a movie, the mall, the gym, a park, the lake, float in the pool, work in the yard, whatever. Hell, keep your bag in your car and you can pretty much go anywhere and do anything and still make it to the airport in 2 hours. You don't have to sit and stare at your house phone all day long.
If you are a commuter, or are not adequately staffed (most everyone right now), then it really sucks. At ExpressJet reservists are required to check their schedule after finishing what is on their schedule, and scheduling can add turns / legs / over-nights at their whim (as long as it is legal). It is really annoying because they will initially give you a day trip, you get in to base and see that they added an overnight somewhere, so you go there. Get in to base the next day and check your schedule... added 3 legs and another over night..
Basically you never know what you're doing because they know you have to check your schedule. Your 5 days of reserve are actually you being abused.
XJT pilots can only sit ready reserve / airport reserve for 4 hours and we are paid the whole 4 hours. We cannot be on ready reserve on our last day of a block of reserve, and I think we cannot do it two days in a row, and there is a limit on the times per month we can sit it.
We have various call out times depending on what base you are at..
Min days off in a 30 day month is 11 days, Min days off in a 31 day month is 12 days.
We have floating reserve lines, where in you do not bid for what days off you want, or what call out time you want. Scheduling builds it for you and in return you get 2 additional days off.
Reserves are released from phone liability at 6pm on their last day of reserve.
Our first largest group of days off (or whatever group of days off you tell them) are untouchable by scheduling, unless we tell them they can.
I am not sure what else... anyone?
#15
Just a few other notes about reserve at SKW
Ready Reserve pays 2:1 duty time toward guarantee. The callout is 20 minutes to get to the plane. If they're short they will stick it on you any time you have a long break between flights just so they can make you pick up the phone and keep extending your trip for as many days as you have on your block of reserve. Apart from those times, ready reserve seems to be randomly assigned, perhaps by one of those lottery drawing machines with the ping pong balls.
Once notified of a trip for that same day, you are not required to answer your phone. You are also not required to be contactable while on a trip during reserve days unless the aforementioned ready reserve has been added to your schedule.
Long call reserves can be converted to short call with 12 hours notice. This can be done a maximum of 7 days per month.
The min daily guarantee for trips is 3:45 per day, but only if the trip is assigned as originally built. If the lineholder just dropped the last DEN-COS leg from their trip and you're the lucky reserve called in, you just earned about :40 worth of credit.
Deadheads are paid at 100% and count toward guarantee as well.
Ready Reserve pays 2:1 duty time toward guarantee. The callout is 20 minutes to get to the plane. If they're short they will stick it on you any time you have a long break between flights just so they can make you pick up the phone and keep extending your trip for as many days as you have on your block of reserve. Apart from those times, ready reserve seems to be randomly assigned, perhaps by one of those lottery drawing machines with the ping pong balls.
Once notified of a trip for that same day, you are not required to answer your phone. You are also not required to be contactable while on a trip during reserve days unless the aforementioned ready reserve has been added to your schedule.
Long call reserves can be converted to short call with 12 hours notice. This can be done a maximum of 7 days per month.
The min daily guarantee for trips is 3:45 per day, but only if the trip is assigned as originally built. If the lineholder just dropped the last DEN-COS leg from their trip and you're the lucky reserve called in, you just earned about :40 worth of credit.
Deadheads are paid at 100% and count toward guarantee as well.
#16
If one is assigned reserve from 0500, the duty period begins at 0500 (unless they pull the "go to bed now and be ready in 8 hours" trick. That still gives one required reduced rest).
#17
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It is true. Reserve time is neither duty nor rest. Reserve time counts towards your 16 hours, because you must be able to look back and find 8 hours of rest.
#18
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From: A320 FO
This is the "interpretation" that's come down from on high many times. I was able to get out of a trip once because my home reserve started at 4:35 am, but they escalated me to ready reserve PM, which starts at noon. The tried to give me an overnight, but it wasn't legal since it I would have only had a 7:53 minute look back in the previous 24 hours. Even then, it took some explaining on the phone to multiple schedulers and a scheduling supervisor for them to believe I was right. Not my rule. It's the FAAs, and you can't waive those.
Few more juicy tid bits about reserve at Pinnacle. No min day credit. So, if they call you to DH you to Knoxville to be in position for a trip the next day, your credit is less than an hour for the day. RR has no credit, either. Sit for 9 hours, and you get nothing, not even per diem.
#19
Sounds like PSA and Pinnacle have the same pathetic contract.
No min day
No credit for Ready Reserve
1/2 credit for dead heads
But we do get taxable per diem for sitting ready reserve. $14 less taxes.
No min day
No credit for Ready Reserve
1/2 credit for dead heads
But we do get taxable per diem for sitting ready reserve. $14 less taxes.
#20
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From: A320 FO
You get per diem, and our home reserves shifts are shorter. Sounds about like those cancel out, so yeah. We're both on the bottom. I think Mesa's new contract a couple of years ago put them past us on reserve rules.
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