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Old 08-18-2010 | 06:38 AM
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awac corrections and additions:

ready reserve is worth 4:00 credit per day so if your line has you on for 19 days, you have already made 76hrs for the month without doing anything. on duty for 8hrs (in phl anyway) and we have 2:1 duty rig. dh is 100%. min day is 3hrs, u get called to do a bwi turn worth 1:45, u will get paid for 3. you have to call when you get done with the trip they assigned you. they usually add to the flying before that. a turn will turn into a 5 day. 4/3, 5/3, 4/4, 5/4, are the usual day on/off combinations. i usually get one stretch of 4 days off. u can trade reserve days with yourself with scheduling's ok. can get a five day stretch off by doing that. i do live in base so my outlook isn't as bleak as those who commute to sit reserve, did that for 2 years, sucked.
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Old 08-18-2010 | 07:35 AM
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ASA: THERE ARE NONE!

We have great contract language except that every sentence ends with "if possible", "if economically feasible" and "company may" or "at company's discretion".

So they can basically do what they want to reserves. And they do. We get guys called at 9am to be told their 11am trip has been taken away and they are now put "to rest" to duty in for a standup ("nap", "high speed", "illegal") tonight. Or they sit 8 hours of ready reserve, then get assigned a 4 day that begins 2 hours after the ready ends. Then they get extended 2 more days. Then on the last day, they get deadheaded SAV-ORD-ATL with 17 hours of duty because "deadheading doesn't count, we can deadhead you all day".

Of course, the chief pilots are all a bunch of desk jockeys from the training department who always back the company.
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Old 08-18-2010 | 07:35 AM
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COMAIR:

-11 days off/month (Min. group of 3 days and 4 days off/month)
-75 hr. monthly guarantee
-14 hr. reserve window for short-call (2hr callout JFK, 1.5 hrs CVG)
-Long Call Reserve 1: 0500-1500 (9hr callout)
-Long Call Reserve 2: 0700-0900 & 1700-1900 (12 hr callout)
-Ready Reserve: 6 hr window, no more than 6 RRs/month and 2 RRs in a row. (4:20 Credit. Used to get Per Diem, but no longer)
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Old 08-18-2010 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
ASA: THERE ARE NONE!

We have great contract language except that every sentence ends with "if possible", "if economically feasible" and "company may" or "at company's discretion".

So they can basically do what they want to reserves. And they do. We get guys called at 9am to be told their 11am trip has been taken away and they are now put "to rest" to duty in for a standup ("nap", "high speed", "illegal") tonight. Or they sit 8 hours of ready reserve, then get assigned a 4 day that begins 2 hours after the ready ends. Then they get extended 2 more days. Then on the last day, they get deadheaded SAV-ORD-ATL with 17 hours of duty because "deadheading doesn't count, we can deadhead you all day".

Of course, the chief pilots are all a bunch of desk jockeys from the training department who always back the company.

Could not have said it better myself...
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Old 08-18-2010 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bwatz
Could not have said it better myself...

Damn, pretty accurate summation.
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Old 08-18-2010 | 08:16 PM
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Compass:
Min 11 days off
75 block month min guarentee
3.5 hour min day credit
Home reserve 3.5 credit (2 hr callout+45 min before dept)
Ready Reserve 4 hr credit (15 min to the plane)
15 hr Home reserve periods
DH counts as duty time
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Old 08-18-2010 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
ASA: THERE ARE NONE!

We have great contract language except that every sentence ends with "if possible", "if economically feasible" and "company may" or "at company's discretion".

So they can basically do what they want to reserves. And they do. We get guys called at 9am to be told their 11am trip has been taken away and they are now put "to rest" to duty in for a standup ("nap", "high speed", "illegal") tonight. Or they sit 8 hours of ready reserve, then get assigned a 4 day that begins 2 hours after the ready ends. Then they get extended 2 more days. Then on the last day, they get deadheaded SAV-ORD-ATL with 17 hours of duty because "deadheading doesn't count, we can deadhead you all day".

Of course, the chief pilots are all a bunch of desk jockeys from the training department who always back the company.
Question about the 17 hr duty days on the last day with DHs. If this is true and you are going over 16hrs duty, aren't you violating FAR 121.471b? It requires that you have the min rest of at least 8 hrs in the previous 24 hrs upon the completion of your day. And it also says that DH is not considered part of the rest time. So in a 24 hr period you worked 16, then had 8 left over for 'rest' you couldn't go over 16 because it would put you below 8 hrs of rest in 24 which is in violation of the FARs. And thats not just on the company, but on you also.
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Old 08-18-2010 | 10:32 PM
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MAG:

For a while, it depended on the day, night, price of sand in Alaska, alignment of the planets, and 3+ clarification letters (emails) of interpretation for an agreed-upon and signed QOL LOA to determine how flying was assigned to reserves and when you were on reserve or if you had to call 'tracking' at the "...completion of an assignment." So now that we've rid our lives of that disaster, it's back to the old school system, which has for the most part been working in the properly-staffed environment (more furloughs on the way of course), but I'm afraid it won't last after November.

-Calendar month bid periods
-Min 11 days OFF/month
-can bid for your preference of 4 different 12-hour shift periods, 0500-1700, 0800-2000, 1200-1200, 1900-0700... I think that's how it goes.
-can bid for days OFF
-can bid for Golden (inviolate) days
-daily credit goes towards your guarantee unless you break min (75 hours)
-90-minute call out
-Long call 12 or 24 awarded at Company discretion and a reduction in guarantee (haven't had it for a while)
-Airport ready reserve can be assigned as needed or bid on
-we can bid for CALL ME FIRST or LAST... not sure how effectively they actually honor it though

If I think of more reserve tidbits, I'll edit and add if it'll let me... overall, pretty decent reserve for a change. Give it time, it'll probably be back to the way it used to be with reassignments and junior available/assignments. I think I speak for the shrinking group when I say that MAG pilots have reached an all-time low in morale and are leaving at the first opportunity for a different if not greener pasture.

Last edited by Rock752000; 08-19-2010 at 12:23 AM. Reason: irrelevant info
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Old 08-19-2010 | 02:05 AM
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MAG ready reserve is half credit or whatever you fly. And assigned in reverse seniority order. But scheduling tends to violate the contract on that- for example I was the most junior pilot and they would stop assigning me ready reserve right when I got close to breaking minimum guarantee.
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Old 08-19-2010 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy26
Question about the 17 hr duty days on the last day with DHs. If this is true and you are going over 16hrs duty, aren't you violating FAR 121.471b? It requires that you have the min rest of at least 8 hrs in the previous 24 hrs upon the completion of your day. And it also says that DH is not considered part of the rest time. So in a 24 hr period you worked 16, then had 8 left over for 'rest' you couldn't go over 16 because it would put you below 8 hrs of rest in 24 which is in violation of the FARs. And thats not just on the company, but on you also.
We tried that one (obviously). Apparently there is a clause in the Whitlow interpretation (to which you're referring) that mentions flight duty. So ASA interpreted that to mean Whitlow does not apply to deadheading. That's the problem at ASA. If the company really wants to do something, then they have their lawyers "creatively interpret" the FARs, Contract, etc in their favor. Then their attitude is "if you don't like it, sue us/grieve it and get your own interpretation, we'll see who wins. Meanwhile, fly now grieve later". So in the short run the trip gets covered. In the long run, you waste a couple of days off with a grievance, and 8 months later you get a forced apology and a voucher for a free day off that is subject to company discretion for when you can use it. Whoopee.
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