You are talking section 6, this is not section 6 and the actions of your MEC should not be in regards to the history of your past section 6 negotiations. This is a JCBA and negotiations are right at 2 months currently.

Any nobody has seen this before, a 3 airline JCBA with a seniority list merger for Pinnacle Corp. I know many feel that XJ and 9L are misguided fools because we want to believe in this JCBA process until it proves to be unsuccessful, thankfully progress is still being made.

 

Love the analogy...so so true.

 

So, we're 60 days into a 45 day process according to the company. Sounds about right for 9E management. What happens when we're 90 or 120 days into the 45 day process?

I'd love to see it done. It's best for all pilots involved, but what exactly is our picketing doing to de-rail the negotiations? Either there's enough cost savings there for them to see the JCBA through to the end and our picketing will do nothing but let is get some frustrations out of our system, or there's nothing there, 9E management is stringing us along, and our picketing still lets us get some frustrations out. 9E management is certainly not doing this because it's best for the 3 pilot groups. They're getting something out of it, either a delay in integrating XJ/9L and a delay in 9E going back to the NMB and Section 6 or cost savings.

 

Progress is evaluated on a daily, if not hourly basis, by the JNC. It's impossible to tell where each side will stand at 90 days or 120 days.

Those who volunteered to negotiate this thing need to be given the benefit of the doubt at the table. When talks break down to the point they don't believe they can get anywhere, they will be the first ones to let us know. They have the firsthand knowledge. Then we walk in circles at the airport together. That's my point of view.

 

Do you see anything wrong with one MEC trying to circumvent two other MEC's and then bash those MEC's for now showing "unity?"

I understand your points about "what harm could it cause," but I could argue that it causes harm to what is going on when you have divided MEC's during JCBA talks. To this point we are more concerned about the lack of cohesiveness amongst the MEC's than the process of obtaining a JCBA.

 

Hold on a second professor. I am not picketing with you because MY MEC advised me not to. And with regards to your back pay buying me.... Delta financed the deal. I could own XJ right now if Delta had offered them to me because PCL Corp paid NOTHING to get them. PNCL Corp aquired XJ under the plan that they would be paid enough until 2019 when the 900 agreement is up to cover the cost of the loan. Why would PNCL pay more for XJ than they would get on the investment? I am sorry that XJ and 9L will not be joining you, but did your MEC include the other two MEC's before they decided to picket? Did they talk to the JNC before they decided to rally your troops.

 

XJ and 9L MEC's are company guys. What do you expect?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J2YSagADGI

 

The unfounded 9E rumors are spreading to the other groups. If he's got aspirations for National, he's already screwed that up. Odds are NONE of the current MEC chairs will chair the new group, and honestly, that's fair. It would be seen as one said gaining and advantage over the other two.

If you talk to the different reps, there's been division from the get-go between the MECs, particularly 9E and XJ. One MAJOR issue has been how much pilots can pick up open time. XJ looks at it one way (their contract forces the airline to staff properly) and 9E looks at it another (they don't want to tell their pilots how to run their lives). There's ALWAYS gonna be division.

Think there's division now? If this JCBA is successful, wait till the SLI stuff hits. Each MEC is appointed to protect their own pilot groups. Now, I'd prefer to see something fair and equitable as far as the SLI guys, but the only way we're gonna know it's fair is if 9E, XJ and 9L guys are all equally bitter about it. That's putting the cart before the horse.

What the 9E guys are saying is "We've seen this all before. We're pretty sure we know where it's going." and going with our gut feeling (which oddly has been pretty accurate when it comes to dealing with management). XJ and 9L, meanwhile, are trying to tell us "No, no. They MEAN it this time. Let it work." I'm hoping we don't have to say "I told ya so," but we'll see....

 

Hopefully we can tell you "Told you so"

 

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.