UnitedExpress pilot indicted for flying drunk
03-21-2011 | 04:14 PM
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All of you seem to be just too impressed by Lyle's return and never realize he and his crew could have easily killed many on that day...on the airplane, and on the ground!
Like I said, you're just too impressed he returned to the sky to fly the 747 again.
You guys seem unable to understand the difference between someone who drank and then made a deliberate decision to fly – IT WAS NOT A MISTAKE - that day despite FAA Inspectors effort to stop them from flying. They all knew they were NOT supposed to fly, yet they made a deliberate effort, and were successful in ‘power-back’ taxi and takeoff.
You don’t know the facts, do you?
Your post reeks of ignorance…of course you may be more impressed by his 747 credentials then anything else!
Like I said, you're just too impressed he returned to the sky to fly the 747 again.
You guys seem unable to understand the difference between someone who drank and then made a deliberate decision to fly – IT WAS NOT A MISTAKE - that day despite FAA Inspectors effort to stop them from flying. They all knew they were NOT supposed to fly, yet they made a deliberate effort, and were successful in ‘power-back’ taxi and takeoff.
You don’t know the facts, do you?
Your post reeks of ignorance…of course you may be more impressed by his 747 credentials then anything else!
03-21-2011 | 04:20 PM
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Actually most of us are impressed by his determination and drive to get back on the horse after he made life changes and paid his debt to society.
He just as easily could have been released from prison, picked up the bottle again and gotten lost in oblivion...
But then again I suppose that you're a perfect pilot and never made any mistakes in your life.
He just as easily could have been released from prison, picked up the bottle again and gotten lost in oblivion...
But then again I suppose that you're a perfect pilot and never made any mistakes in your life.
03-21-2011 | 04:38 PM
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It disgusts me this guy is flying again.
Agreed.
03-21-2011 | 04:53 PM
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All of you seem to be just too impressed by Lyle's return and never realize he and his crew could have easily killed many on that day...on the airplane, and on the ground!
Like I said, you're just too impressed he returned to the sky to fly the 747 again.
You guys seem unable to understand the difference between someone who drank and then made a deliberate decision to fly – IT WAS NOT A MISTAKE - that day despite FAA Inspectors effort to stop them from flying. They all knew they were NOT supposed to fly, yet they made a deliberate effort, and were successful in ‘power-back’ taxi and takeoff.
You don’t know the facts, do you?
Your post reeks of ignorance…of course you may be more impressed by his 747 credentials then anything else!
Like I said, you're just too impressed he returned to the sky to fly the 747 again.
You guys seem unable to understand the difference between someone who drank and then made a deliberate decision to fly – IT WAS NOT A MISTAKE - that day despite FAA Inspectors effort to stop them from flying. They all knew they were NOT supposed to fly, yet they made a deliberate effort, and were successful in ‘power-back’ taxi and takeoff.
You don’t know the facts, do you?
Your post reeks of ignorance…of course you may be more impressed by his 747 credentials then anything else!
03-21-2011 | 05:25 PM
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Better yet, why did the captain ever let the flight leave? Protect your crew from their own stupidity. Pull of a placard, ground the damn thing. I would think that if you took off knowing the other guy was intoxicated on an aircraft that requires two crew members makes you a party to the crime and at the end of the day can end up burning you as well. If the guy really wants to fly drunk, don't take off, don't push off. Get it taken care of.
I find it to be ironic in that crews complain about management and yet some have no second thoughts about throwing another crew member to the wolves even when they can control a situation such as this.
Whatever happened to the days of taking care of each other out there ?
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03-21-2011 | 07:34 PM
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ACTUALLY, the FE asked the Fed to administer a blood test before they left Fargo and the Fed didn't. SOOOOOOOOOOO, the FE didn't think he was over the limit but He and the FO knew the Capt WOULD be. The Capt (at that time in his life) had a reputation throughout NW Airlines of being a total JACKASS!! Maybe he changed his attitude after he got caught & sobered up.
03-22-2011 | 04:25 AM
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I know both Lyle and Joe personally.
Lyle has admitted his mistakes, and taken responsibility for them. He knows that he can't change the past, only the future. He tries to help other people and because of that I've personally heard him speak at least five times at different events, at least half of which have been free gratis except for his motel room and transportation.
You are entitled to your opinions about him or anyone else, and I'll likely not change them. I know Lyle to be a stand up guy who is daily trying to make a difference in his and other people's lives. He didn't ask to be in the Big Book, or to speak anywhere outside of his home group.
He has never once came into the cockpit of an airplane trying to sell himself or his story or his book (he doesn't have one).
HIMS - A Substance Abuse Treatment Program For Commercial Pilots
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Lyle has admitted his mistakes, and taken responsibility for them. He knows that he can't change the past, only the future. He tries to help other people and because of that I've personally heard him speak at least five times at different events, at least half of which have been free gratis except for his motel room and transportation.
You are entitled to your opinions about him or anyone else, and I'll likely not change them. I know Lyle to be a stand up guy who is daily trying to make a difference in his and other people's lives. He didn't ask to be in the Big Book, or to speak anywhere outside of his home group.
He has never once came into the cockpit of an airplane trying to sell himself or his story or his book (he doesn't have one).
HIMS - A Substance Abuse Treatment Program For Commercial Pilots
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03-22-2011 | 04:45 AM
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From: B-73N FO
I knew the guy involved in the incident mentioned at the top of this thread. Really nice, quiet guy... Never would have expected this. Just goes to show that you don't know your co-workers as well as you think you do.
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