nevermind.........

 

I don't care what side you cheer for, that is just plain funny MULVA. Welcome back.

 

Nevermind? oh please continue Zoo....

 

Here's some good reading material (really!):

http://tinyurl.com/3vneyb3

Especially these:



and



Interesting to see where the JetBlue EMB190 CASM resides and also the Frontier CASMs. The PDF is very long, but also quite informative.

I think a key bit of information is the fact that, although the gap is narrowing, Domestic CASMs for Legacy carriers continue to be relatively higher (10% or more) than the "Value" or LCC carriers. By the nature of the Legacy business, they just won't ever be able to reduce domestic CASMs to compete effectively in the US domestic market. Of course, this is somewhat mitigated by the fact that the international market is the golden egg for the legacy carriers.

So, as time passes, what do the legacy carriers do about their domestic business? Outsource more flying to the regionals? Maybe, but only if the regionals are flying larger (100 seat and UP) aircraft and what are the chances of that happening? Really? OR maybe they decide to start ceding the domestic business to the LCC's to focus almost exclusively on the international market. Sounds stupid, right? Not if they code share with the lower cost LCC's in the US.

This may well be what the future ends up looking like. Chances are probably pretty slim that Frontier is around to see it and also somewhat slim that regional airlines maintain the fleet numbers they currently enjoy. If this is the future then this is what happens (IMO):

Mainline domestic capacity shrinks
LCC domestic capacity grows
Regional capacity shrinks

Basically, LCC CASMs are lower than Legacy CASMs which are lower than regional CASMs. At some point the reality of this equation will be reflected in the makeup of the US airline industry.

Now, of course, I could be totally full of $h!+! But if anything close to this happens then you better "be careful what you ask for." So regardless of whether branded fails or BB cuts F9 loose to fail, and that either of those would be good for all ya'alls (did I spell that right?) job prospects, I'm not so sure. Certainly wouldn't be good for ours in the Airbus, but man I wouldn't want to be counting on a stable career at RAH after a branded implosion. I think BB understands this. His only hope is to use the FFDbucks to support the mainline operation and bring it back to a level of health where it can be released as a viable entity to compete in the new world order of the US domestic market. That is where the opportunities are going to be. Lower cost competition (not necessarily labor) always eventually wins out in every industry. Unfortunately, RJs and not with legacy narrowbody jobs might be the most endangered pilot jobs of the future.

So, again, be careful what you wish for. BB is setting something up to capitalize on the changes ahead (if possible) and small-jets are not part of the master plan. They're useful now as milking cows, but not for that many more years.

DISCLAIMER: This is only my opinion. I do not wish negative consequences for anybody's job, be it legacy, LCC, or regional. SO feel free to tell me I'm an idiot, but please don't come at me for "wishing harm" on anyone. I'm not. Just bringing up what I think the future might have in hold for us all.

 

So on an unrelated note, how would F9ers feel if the IBT negotiated airbus rates with management behind your backs? How would you describe us- dishonest, deceitful, two faced, or just flat out shady?

 

Please Mulva, post another graphic to distract me from the utter disgust & contempt I have for your leadership. Maybe a 190 tail with griz bending over the old republic mallard would stop the steam coming out of my ears...

 

So F9 is negotiating a E-190 rate? If so, I’m sure they will be better than the current ones at RP. It also makes sense to move the 190’s from a business standpoint. When BB sells the branded operation to JB he will only have to deal with one pilot group. Who else could RAH fly 190’s for?

 

(D) All of the above

 

Is this the first wave of disinformation coming from the local 357?

Before you get too worked up over a lie, you should call Bourne at the IBT Airline Division.

The fact of the matter is FAPA has NOT negotiated anything regarding the 190's. FAPA has been talking with the IBT Airline Division about a lot of things, including the 190's, but as of the writing of this post there has not been anything "negotiated" between FAPA and the company.

Bedford has publicly stated (over one month ago) that he wanted to change the network.

The brand will only be Airbus and 190's on the F9 certificate. Every other airframe will be CPA only. In fact the orphaned 145's will be a CPA between Chautauqua and Frontier.

There is no conspiracy here. In fact you will directly have a choice on who will eventually negotiate the 190 rates in the very near future.....new election thread to be started shortly.

 

Already doing a CPA with the 145's (see Frontier Express). Just a way of putting some of the loss into the FFD market and taking it off of F9.

As for negotiated rates, well only time will tell you is "mis-informed". This process could long be over by now and there's only one group holding it up. June 27th is going to hopefully put all of this non-sense to bed.