ground stop

They would be stupid to walk away from a money maker, and the owners are not stupid. If they want to stop playing airline owner, they would sell awac and pocket the cash.

whoareyou310

Well I am glad I got the hell out of there...but I do wish all the best to the crews who are still there.

Flyboy8784

The Money Maker is the ground handling part of AWAC....the Airline itself is a Liability...

I think the mechanics finally got a TA after some 5-6 years of negotiating....the FA's and Pilots are still up....ask yourself this question....if you were an owner...2 of your major employee groups have contracts up for renewal and they want more money....yet your airlines contract ends with US Air in 2015 and you've already quadrupled your initial investment....wouldn't you walk away??

Rankin has told crews that they are losing 6-7 air frames because the leases are up in 2012-13

MGMT Pilots have left or have stepped down from their positions....Its a sinking ship....Abandon it...or Go down with it....your choice

BTpilot

Don't mean to disagree... but the Flight dept is 92% of our earnings?

Ground handling is 8.. Stop me if I did the math wrong.

trevtt600

FlyBoy,

You and everyone else needs to stop spreading this "RUMOR" that we are parking planes in 2012 or 2013. Unless you have written proof that this is happen, there is NO reason that Rankin would come out and tell us this. Even if it is going to happen, what would he gain by telling us this? Nothing... Our moral is so low at this company already, why would he through fire to the flame.

And why would we sign a contract for 70 airplanes till 2015, if we new leases on some of them were going to end before that? Its not adding up.

Sorry for the rant. But ive been hearing this a lot lately, and ther is just no reason Rankin would have come out and said this. They don't tell us anything to begin with.

saab2000

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Flyboy8784

BT Pilot....where are you getting your numbers from? just outta curiosity....ive never seen those figures before, but they sound highly unlikely.

Trev.....you obviously have not worked there long enough to understand how AWAC operates.

First off, im hearing this from friends of mine still at the company....id have a hard time believing they would BS me when im hearing it from several sources.....second off....even if it was a BS statement from Rankin....hes gonna do his best to project doom and gloom and how you guys will all be out of jobs if things dont change. He's setting a course for CONSESSIONS

There may have been a period 10 years ago when AWAC first started taking delivery of the RJ's that they thought that the airplanes would be replaced with bigger ones once the leases were up. This was also when we flew exclusively for United.

JR said to my 2007 ground school class that 70-90 seat RJ's were a temporary solution to a long term problem. Last year he stated in one of his "In Touch" messages that theres no market for 70 50 seat RJ's and that if we dont cut costs and land another RFP, we wont have a contract after 2015.

Now contrary to all that.....3 years ago when we loaned airways an addition 30 million for them to use as a down payment for new planes....JR came out and announced that one of the conditions of this loan was that AWAC's flying be extended "Beyond 2015". Yet when asked on the Q&A about that he beat around the bush after his doom and gloom message came out.

Bottom line....yeah they probably have a contract beyond 2015.....but neither you or any other pilot at AWAC knows for how long.

My guess??? He's gonna ask for concessions before the contract expires....if they vote yes....they continue flying for a little bit more....if not??? the locks go on the crew room doors.

Until then.....enjoy your crappy Clarion Hotels and Comfort Inn's with your 9 hour overnights and 14 hour duty days with 4 swaps 6 legs and broken airplanes.....MAYBE you'll upgrade in 4 more years.

And if you think im pumping this full of smoke? You ask any pilot with a number senior to 18000.....and 90% of them will say what I just did.

BTpilot

From JR actually. I mean, I'm not saying i know they are true, but that's what the man said.

Idk man. I know you have argumentative points, but I'm a really young guy with no family or wife and I'm getting paid fairly, having a good time at my job, and learning something everyday. Maybe my perspective isn't anywhere close to yours. I can't even legally upgrade right now because of age. I like AWAC and don't plan to leave.

Hobbit64

Did the ORF base manager leave?

trevtt600

Flyboy- Im actually a 16 thousand number guy and have been hear since 2006. I see were you are coming from about the concessions, that could be one reason if it was ever said. But i really doubt he would have come out and said that. From what i have heard, the 6-8 planes being parked are actually Mesa 50 seaters. But thats all hear say too.

Well my summer has been pretty sweet actually. Have not worked more that 12 days a month since May, so i believe that is averaging 18 days off, and all 3 on 4 off schedules with weekends off. Just sayin.

And no ORF manager did not leave. He saw more money and more days off to come back to the line. Makes sence to me.