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Old 11-24-2011 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tye05
Asking for my support?!!! Brothers and sisters?!!!! No, I'm the step sister whose has been raped by her "brothers". NO - I'm not a member of the IBT and never will be.

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Perfect example of why the native RAH folks are so skeptical of the F9'ers. Do we expect you to honor our strike? No, I expect nothing from you guys as you are not obligated under your CBA to do anything. Having a shred of class would dictate otherwise but I digress. The hundreds of posts that resemble the above further the divide. I expect more from my dog than the F9 pilot group so nothing they do will surprise me.
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Old 11-24-2011 | 07:08 PM
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Perfect example of why the native RAH folks are so skeptical of the F9'ers. Do we expect you to honor our strike? No, I expect nothing from you guys as you are not obligated under your CBA to do anything. Having a shred of class would dictate otherwise but I digress. The hundreds of posts that resemble the above further the divide. I expect more from my dog than the F9 pilot group so nothing they do will surprise me.
Dude, Why should I help you, when you are stealing my seniority? Why would I help someone who is trying to undo LOA 67, which is in my best interest? Why would I help someone who has no respect for what I have earned? Why????

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Old 11-24-2011 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tye05
Dude, Why should I help you, when you are stealing my seniority? Why would I help someone who is trying to undo LOA 67, which is in my best interest? Why would I help someone who has no respect for what I have earned? Why????

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I'll second that. The best thing for our careers is for us to be split off. A close second would be for the whole FFD side to liquidate, but I don't wish that on you. We have had ZERO support from your side (or I specifically the IBT) in protecting our careers - you shouldn't blame us for feeling the urge to reciprocate.
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Old 11-25-2011 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tye05
Dude, Why should I help you, when you are stealing my seniority? Why would I help someone who is trying to undo LOA 67, which is in my best interest? Why would I help someone who has no respect for what I have earned? Why????

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I STOLE nothing, I TOOK nothing, I was AWARDED BY A INDEPENDENT ARBITRATOR a senority number.
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Old 11-25-2011 | 06:35 AM
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I STOLE nothing, I TOOK nothing, I was AWARDED BY A INDEPENDENT ARBITRATOR a senority number.
You TOOK an award that YOU DID NOT EARN... That my young friend is the same at stealing. Your union has done nothing but continue to try and undermine MY career, and you (as near as I can tell) continue to support them.

I have said it before and I'll say it again the best solution would have been a Blue and Green List where you give up your seniority to move to the other list. A Push for the F9 guys and a win for the RAH guys because you can move to a major without an interview. BUT that ship has sailed and now we are stuck.

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Old 11-25-2011 | 06:58 AM
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When the Spirit guys struck, they invited and encouraged anyone to pick up their routes, just so long as the route was not flown under the "Spirit Wings" call sign at the behest of the airline. I found this to be a masterful stroke: to apply pressure to management by providing competitors the opportunity to drain away revenue. And of course we all saw what happened with the one single flight that did go under the Spirit call sign.

If the day comes, I am certain RAH will publish its struck work. Regardless of the condition of the RAH/F9 organization (or lack thereof), I would hope that ALL pilots would honor the published struck work.
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Old 11-25-2011 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tye05
Dude, Why should I help you, when you are stealing my seniority? Why would I help someone who is trying to undo LOA 67, which is in my best interest? Why would I help someone who has no respect for what I have earned? Why????

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You TOOK an award that YOU DID NOT EARN... That my young friend is the same at stealing. Your union has done nothing but continue to try and undermine MY career, and you (as near as I can tell) continue to support them.

I have said it before and I'll say it again the best solution would have been a Blue and Green List where you give up your seniority to move to the other list. A Push for the F9 guys and a win for the RAH guys because you can move to a major without an interview. BUT that ship has sailed and now we are stuck.

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I'll second that. The best thing for our careers is for us to be split off. A close second would be for the whole FFD side to liquidate, but I don't wish that on you. We have had ZERO support from your side (or I specifically the IBT) in protecting our careers - you shouldn't blame us for feeling the urge to reciprocate.
Your careers were protected when you were bought in bankruptcy. There's a reason you were in bankruptcy in the first place. RAH bailed you out and lucky for you it didn't end up the same way the Midwest guys got it. You want to cry and moan but the realization is RAH saved your job and the consequences were it caused the FFD said to lose money because it had to keep bailing you out.

Understand this, the RAH guys (the majority that is) want the bleeding whale gone. I can guarantee that once you're gone you'll either be back in bankruptcy or bought out again. Either way, from here on out, your job will always be in jeopardy. I'm sure we'll see all of you back on here crying and complaining again.

Good luck!
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Old 11-25-2011 | 07:40 AM
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question?
define struck work with reguards to a regional airline. For example, if the major carrier covers the flights is that "crossing a picket line?" I guess I am asking who "owns" those flights?
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Old 11-25-2011 | 07:49 AM
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If the mainline strikes the answer is easy: Nothing in that paint moves, period, end of story.

Not so easy in the other direction. The answer would require communication and coordination between the respective leaderships. One would hope that such discussions would center upon how the mainline could support the efforts of the striking group rather than how to work around them.
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Old 11-25-2011 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tye05
You TOOK an award that YOU DID NOT EARN... That my young friend is the same at stealing. Your union has done nothing but continue to try and undermine MY career, and you (as near as I can tell) continue to support them.

I have said it before and I'll say it again the best solution would have been a Blue and Green List where you give up your seniority to move to the other list. A Push for the F9 guys and a win for the RAH guys because you can move to a major without an interview. BUT that ship has sailed and now we are stuck.

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He didn't have to earn it. An objective observer meticulously studied the merger/acquisition and concluded this was the fairest integration of seniority. Only a fool would accuse someone, who has been given something by an impartial arbitrator, of being a thief. Too bad for you F9 APC blowhards you weren't in fact acquired, dismantled, and sent packing by the Borg. It would have given you some perspective on fairness. Companies get bought all the time. It's peculiar that pilots feel like they are exempt from the consequences of acquisition.
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