My statement was that I'd rather it fold then continue to be operated separately meaning our contract either be followed or BB close it's doors. To sell small stakes of it for the specific purpose of circumventing our scope language is wrong and if that's his plans then yes I'd rather it be shut down completely. I have reason to support your groups past and continued actions to circumvent our scope language and seniority integration. Changing your argument over time to justify your groups actions doesn't make it any better. No matter how reasonable you try to make the current sales pitch it still boils down that integration is required. If it's not going to happen then the places needs to close shop. A partial ownership where BB still maintains complete control would still allow us to be whipsawed or at the minimal skipped over for future growth opportunities if they were to ever arise.

If the company is to be sold then let it be sold no issues. Don't do a partial split up leaving BB in charge.

 

Brain there's no hate or vendetta in what I said. If Frontier is to be actually sold to someone that would be one thing. If the stake RAH has in it is to be watered down, while maintaining operational control, then no I'm not a fan.

As far as the IBT's case goes that will be for the courts to decide. There's a lot of name calling and character assassinations going on but the simple fact remains that if it's legit then the court will decide for the IBT and if it's not the court will decide against it. The union is simply doing what is required of it by its dues paying members. If you look back far enough there are several posts over all the steps required before your group would integrate. No where did things like FAPAinvest, lawsuits against arbitrators, and back door deals with the company make that list.

 

Is that like the rule where unless you join IBT you can't be on a committee? Must be written in the same invisible ink.

BTW - What honest chance would you give a F9 pilot running for 357 leadership?

 

I dunno F9...more guys might have voted for a Frontier guy than you think. Plus, everyone that got "elected" ran unopposed...at any rate, hopefully our pilot groups will be separate entities soon enough. Good luck in your dealings with management until then.

 

You're trying to say that a board member of the IBT, elected from the pilot group, doesn't need to be a member of the IBT?

As far as your question goes I don't know and I guess it doesn't matter since no one ran. Unless you were willing to take part in the organization then don't complain about what it is/isn't handing to you on a silver platter. The non-stop complaining is tiresome. Binding means Binding.

 

TD, Really! Do you think that an F9 pilot would actually win if they run for a position?
You can blab on about F9 folding all you want. In a few months this will be a non-issue when we are separated. Get real and get on with your life.

 

In the spirit of the original thread, congratulations on the incredible turnout and the unified vote in favor of a strike. Very impressive that 74% voted the FIRST day.

 

I believe he was referring to the rule that a pilot must be a member in good standing of 357 before serving on any committees, such as Scheduling, System Board and Hotel. So, Objectors, paying core fees or even an Agency Fee Payer, paying full dues, cannot hold a committee position.

That requirement doesn't appear in writing in you CBA or C&B's. It's just an "unwritten policy" according to Trustee Doug Turner.

The problem, from our perspective, is that the "unwritten policy" violates our Contract.


Our CBA states that:

§ 2.G.1

CREW HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS

1. The Association Hotel Committee shall consist only of active Pilots bidding in Frontier Airlines, Inc. aircraft. The Association Hotel Committee and the Company shall mutually agree on layover accommodations. The Association shall not unreasonably withhold its agreement on layover accommodations, taking into consideration the provisions of Paragraph 3. A current list of hotels shall be published each month by Flight Operations.

§ 5.B.1

SYSTEM SCHEDULING COMMITTEE (SSC)

1. The System Scheduling Committee (SSC) shall be composed of a Chairman and at least one Pilot per Domicile, and shall consist only of active Pilots bidding in Frontier Airlines, Inc. aircraft. The Association Board of Directors shall endeavor to appoint to the SSC those Pilots having the knowledge, experience, and available time, in order to best provide for consistent input. For each category of aircraft (as defined in Section 4.B.1), schedules shall be built by Pilots who operate that category of aircraft.

§ 5.L.6

Pilots on Association business shall be allowed to drop Sequences in accordance with Paragraph L.3. by using the online Drop Form. The Association may drop 1200 hours per year at no cost to the Association, of which 25 hours per month shall be reserved for the SSC. Any time over and above the 1200 hours shall be charged at that individual's Hourly Rate for the time dropped. Any time dropped for an individual(s) to meet with the Company, or for individuals to work on projects initiated by the Company shall not be charged to the Association.

§ 14.B.1

COMPOSITION AND APPOINTMENTS TO SBA

1. Composition of SBA. The SBA shall consist of 2 Pilots appointed by the Association President, and 2 Company employees appointed by the Vice President Labor Relations or the Senior Manager Labor Relations.

In Section 23, Definitions, capitol P, “Pilot” is defined as:

Pilot - any employee of Frontier Airlines, Inc. covered under this Agreement, whose name appears on the Seniority List.

 

Thumbs up for a post that stays to the subject and respectful in nature!

 

And then bolo you will be an alter ego just like go jets and freedom