Thanks for the support! As for your post
1) Man I hope so
2) Man I hope so
3) Bet your @$$ that we will do just that!

 

I see where you find the notion to be odd, but I compare flying a BB owned Airbus and making more money for an RAH guy is like buying a nice sparkling blood diamond from the African Militia. Somethines the extra bling is not worth supporting the source.

 

Why not just dissolve/resign from the union and everyone simply stop working? Wouldn't that be the easiest way for a work stoppage while bypassing all union/RLA legalities? Why make things complicated with tedious negotiatings, a CEO milking the process for years (laughing all the way to the bank) and thousands of message board topics of said subject.

 

I am likely way out of my league here but usually a union is a required item for a strike. Basically if pilots did what you mentioned they would lose all union support from their respective CBA. To me, that means if they just stoped working that would be no different then quitting in the eyes of the company. So yes, this would create a HUGE mess for the management team to have all those pilots simply stop working. But then that leads me to wonder why would the company even bother negotiating with guys that have quit that have no legal support from the union?

 

I think you're getting at a similar play the the NFL and NBA did by decertifying. That was done to file antirust suits in the case of a lockout. Would not work here as we could not prove that RAH was indeed a monopoly. The major professional sports in this country are for the most part exempt from the antitrust laws as long as they bargain in good faith. This is why this particular method was used.

 

It's a bit ironic that, while F9 pilots are looking for an improved QOL, we are chastised by the IBT (i.e., sued for LOA 67, even though IBT didn't even 'represent' us when the agreement was signed), yet when RAH pilots decide somehow it is in their best interests to strike (good luck with that) in order to improve THEIR QOL, they actually have the melons to ask us to walk the line with them? I don't see that happening - IBT or not, we at F9 have not been represented. It's that simple. Good luck to the RAH guys, but I'm not wasting any more energy on fruitless causes, and certainly will not be wasting days off standing next to those people.

 

Jetalc I guess the irony depends on where you start your timeline. For me it's when Frontier agreed to binding arbitration, got a look at the list, then decided they didn't want it and have since been pulling a US Airways. Prior to the acquisition of F9 what was your opinion of the East/West situation? I'm willing to be it was inline with what almost everyone else thinks.... I'd rather F9 fold before it be allowed to continue to operate separately.

If F9 wanted to be represented more you could have easily ran for the recently elected officer positions in the union. Each person, including the Midwest pilot, ran unopposed. The IBT is administering your contract as is required. They do support their members. If you are not a member then you cannot complain.

 

Well, I would agree that the East/West situation is absolute chaos, but I don't have firsthand knowledge of the inner workings to be able to 'condemn' either side. Tragic at best, I believe.

You would rather F9 fold 'before it be allowed to continue to operate separately?' What a ludicrous statement. If F9 operates separately, what do you care? I want F9 to be a completely separate operation - no opportunity for whipsaw, no crossover either way, and why would you want F9 to fold?

We were told (by IBT) that we would be unable to run for any officer positions in the union, since we would technically be in our probationary year. And, since the F9 guys are outnumbered (something many RAH peeps have reiterated, over and over again), who would have voted for an F9 guy for an officer position at IBT? I don't know of any F9 guys who want anything to do with that massively dysfunctional union, let alone actually represent them in an officer position. We were outnumbered, wanted to remain separate before, during and after the election - nothing has changed. That was the case before the SLI, and has been ever since, not BECAUSE of the SLI. Everybody wants a voice, and F9 pilots have none. The desires of the majority outweighs the interests of the minority (F9 pilots) - how happy would you be if you had no voice and people were making stupid comments like they would 'rather see F9 fold before being ALLOWED to operate separately?'

If IBT is trying to 'unite' everybody, they are doing the typically pathetic job. I have yet to receive any correspondence from IBT except for 'here is where to send money, brother' and a jaded letter from that fat bastard who isn't even an IBT member. Poor representation, poor judgement, bizarre lines of logic, trying to point a shotgun at my head...can't understand why I don't have the fuzzies for those knuckleheads. The president of RAH IBT doesn't even have the balls to send a quick letter or communicate with the F9 guys. Don't wish failure for us trying to protect what little is left - you only display your egocentric arrogance. And there's nothing worse than the ugly kid acting cocky about his 'great looks'. Everybody knows the truth but him...

 

What was the chance of that happening? Almost approaches an answer to my question from:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/1086017-post91.html

Sure seems to me that every RAHbro should be planning a Bon Voyage party in the hopes that F9 will soon be a distant nightmare. No more "subsidizing" branded ops at the expense of the profitable FFD side of the biz. No more whiners or crybabies trying to undermine the IBT efforts. No more unreasonable, demanding, FAPA lanyard wearing, Airbus flying, management lovin', IBT hating, blood suckin', lowlife, Prima donnas. Get rid of us and it will be Shangri La and Happy Days all over again at RAH. You've got enough problems to contend with coming strike and all.

Kinda like making a choice after plucking a leech off of your foot, (1) throw it back in the lake or (2) squish it.

I'll throw TD in the second column.

Just Let Them Go | But That's My Seat!
(back to the lake) | (Squish them)


Everyone else, Nut Up! What's really eating you up inside? Is F9 sailing away on its' own perceived as a negative or a positive for RAHbros? It's going to happen so you might as well get ready.

Sorry for hijacking this thread. Back to whatever it was about again.

See ya'll next week (maybe).

 

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