Im fairly certain that most if not all of the Gulf pilots at 9E made Captain before the integration and a nice % of those are in a good position to move on. I know of many that are at majors now as well. So, in that line of logic it was a good return on investment. Without a 4 year that limit themselves anyways but a large chunk will get it with online classes. I dont understand how gulfstream pilots are brought into every thread, the 5 years ive been in 121 they've always been brought up. When will it die? They made a good choice, turned out to be a good investment when they made it. Move on. They paid for their jobs? Whats so different between them and atp guys and riddle or und guys? Or part 61 for that matter. Are you saying thay just because they "paid" for their jobs they will vote for the 5% cut? Thats asenine.

 

I know the 76 seat cap has been reached. Can't Delta park 50 seaters and replace them 1 to 1 with 69 seaters?

 

No on jets, yes on props. Big loophole that hopefully will be closed.



40. “Permitted aircraft type” means:
25 a. a propeller-driven aircraft configured with 70 or fewer passenger seats and with a
26 maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of 70,000 or fewer
27 pounds, and
28 b. a jet aircraft certificated for operation in the United States for 50 or fewer passenger
29 seats and with a maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of
30 65,000 or fewer pounds, and
31 c. one of up to 255 jet aircraft configured with 51-70 passenger seats and certificated in
32 the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less
33 (“70-seat jets”), and
34 d. one of up to 120 jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats and certificated in
35 the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less
36 (“76-seat jets”). The number of 76-seat jets may be increased above 120 by three
37 76-seat jets for each aircraft above the number of aircraft in the baseline fleet
38 operated by the Company (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational
39 spares) as of October 30, 2008. The baseline fleet number will be 440+N, in which
40 N is the number of aircraft (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational
41 spares but not including permitted aircraft types) added to the Company’s baseline
42 fleet from NWA. The number and type of all aircraft in the Company’s fleet on
43 October 30, 2008 will be provided to the Association. The number of 70-seat jets
44 plus 76-seat jets permitted by Section 1 B. 40. may not exceed 255.

 

Colgan used to be pay to play

 

a Zillion dollars? A more realistic scenario would be "Pay 30 grand to go work for another regional"

Yeah...good investment...

 

A hypothetical response to an obviously sarcastic post... pump the brakes

 

I agree that these big flight programs are fleecing obscene amounts of money, but at Gulfstream, wasn't there something like 19 paying pax in the back? But there are skeletons in all kinds of closets...even at mainline, like Continental playing dumb about what was happening at Colgan. Come on!

 

Noted and retracted. On a side note, isn't our illustrious VP of Group 3B in ALPA a Gulfstream Grad? Just what we need running the union

 

So have the number of 70/76 seaters reached 255? Unless Delta is going bring turbo props back into the fold, it seems they will have to increase the number of jets with greater than 50 seats. I am not sure how they will do that...I have a hard time believing more flying will be done by mainline out of the goodness of mgt's heart. And there are sooo many CRJ 200s out there. That is a lot of seat capacity that will go away in a few years.

 

In the 90's many of the regionals were "pay to play" or had some kind of training agreement.
Look people were getting into that with Great Lakes of all places.