Oh, another thing Shy, since the ATL 900 operation is losing dough, we prolly oughta furlough all the ATL 900 drivers. At least that way they won't displace you. That seems fair.

 

By all means be vocal, but be vocal about something you might have an ounce of influence over. Bankruptcy, furloughs, SLI: that's all out of our hands at this point. Whether or not we should vote (if it comes to a vote) on taking a paycut, that's a different story.

 

Sounds logical using "Shy Logic"

You better believe that those senior pre merger 9E pilots will seek a 900 CA seat at a Mesaba base if they close ATL.

And guess what, they should be allowed to as long as seniority and the fences are being complied with

 

I'd like to see an out of seniority furlough for a few reasons. 1.) I like drama - that would be a lot of drama. 2.) I'd like to see how ALPA would handle it. 3.) I'd probably be furloughed and I want to be furloughed. It would force me to find a better job.

 

I've never proposed a staple job for any group. I may have jokingly referred to a staple as in Office Space's red stapler for Mesaba or made j/k staple references when the 9E FAs got 3-to-1 against Mesaba FAs. But I have never proposed an outright staple of a pilot group! The only statement I agree with you is "as a professional pilot you should never advocate a staple job." Please tell that to the 3 people on the 9E merger team.

And give me a break regarding GoJets. Yes, I filled out the application but then didn't send it when it asked to send to a gmail address. Whipsaw? What about the Colgan and Pinnacle whipsaw of 2007 and 2008? Remember when Colgan got tons of shiny Q400s, while Pinnacle stagnated, the CEO told us our ALPA proposal for a contract would bankrupt the company, and then we downgraded our pilots? Later, a displacement followed too in 2008. All this happened while Colgan expanded tremendously. Yeah, but I guess the current GoJets and TSA situation is a crime, ain't it? You should question the TSA MEC Chairman and ask Dario under what leverage did he tell Hulas to go pound dirt when it came to the -700 rates/benefits?

 

No it isn't. It's about keeping damage in-house for a respective airline. The whole reason we're IN this disaster in the first place is because we rushed into the whole merger process. Can you believe we had one list and a vacancy award jumping across certificates before any fenced operations even happened? Other mergers have been more successful, because they have slowed down and taken their time getting the fenced operation before jumping into the SLI hoops. ASA/XJT is a prime example. It's not appaling to want out of seniority order furloughs. The concept of seniority no longer exists with Bloch's ruling on the list. The majority of 9E pilots already took the brunt force of Mesaba's cuts, now you want the impending Colgan cuts to be spread out as well? No thanks.

I don't want to give up one penny of my pay. However, I'm for giving the company all lee-way in vacancy awards and bypass pay, and all the other crap these guys are entitled to. I took at the bypass list and just shook my head. God forbid a current Q400 Captain get RJ Captain rates because someone junior to him got a RJ class first! Waste of money!

That -200 contract is making money now, so that's not an issue. But if it was not, and all the other guys on the 900s, Saabs, and Qs were making money, then yes I'd be for out of seniority furloughs.

 

No, the problem with this isn't as big as the problem with the Qs and Saabs. For one, all our ATL pilots are already CL65 typed, and need barely a 1 or 2 day conversion course and they can be back in a CRJ-200. That pales in comparison to the disaster of a FULL training event required for a Colgan Saab or Q pilot to come over to the RJ side. You're switching airlines, new procedures, new books, new flows, new type rating, new everything. This will not take 1 or 2 days, it will take at least 2 months, and thousands and thousands of dollars. Therefore it's not the same comparison. Second, you're correct that the ATL flying is losing money. I'm all for fixing it, and here is how: close up the ATL base and shift those -900s elsewhere in the system like DTW, MSP, and JFK. Delta is expanding big time in NYC, especially LGA, and we should negotiate a deal for JFK/LGA for the -900s. In this case, you don't need out of order furloughs. And besides, you're talking about 16 CRJ-900s out of almost 200. Whereas the Colgan side, we're talking about all the Saabs and all the Qs being unprofitable, and the chance that all that flying could go belly up. When you start talking about an entire airline being parked, it's time for drastic solutions.

 

Iff everyone's energies were directed towards management instead of fighting each other on this forum we might be in a better place....

 

True, but the management that was involved in putting us where we are today have long since pulled the ripcord on their golden parachutes. PH, PT, and DS all left with major $$$. And as for the SLI, the quotas/fences, that is the fault of all 3 pilot groups.

 

Word on the street is a judge denied American Eagles request to furlough out of seniority due to parking the ATR's. If this is true I would say precedence is set. It is very unlikely that even if Pinnacle went bankrupt and parked the entire Colgan operation that we would have to face out of seniority furloughs.

You might be able to bribe the judge though ShyGuy!