And in a perfect world shy, you wouldnt be a Delta Bravo...

 

What world do you live on to think that Bloch had to look out for the company on the SLI? The company knew what the deal was, they just "hoped" for large fences.

Second, not that many respect your views on this forum, but your total lack of respect for any of your fellow pilots and ignorance of seniority just shows how clueless people can be.

Like it or not, you are 1800 on the list. Talk to your boys if you don't like that.

 

Obviously not Colgan, but is someone trying to give 9L competition? Anyone have any idea who?

Unidentified airline orders five Q400s | ATWOnline

 

Why is it obviously not Colgan? My best is some european airline, hight doubt it is someone in the US

 

The Bloch SLI did not respect seniority and longevity as we know it. Therefore, I do advocate out of seniority furlough. For example, if the Colgan Saabs are parked, I don't think any 9E or XJ pilot should be affected. They should downgrade and furlough the Colgan Saab pilots from the original Colgan list.

Thanks for your useless contribution.

First, have it fall under a reasonable expectation catalog. Arbitrator Dana Eischen, in the Frontier/Republic/Lynx/Midwest merger, protected the queen of the fleet, the Airbus by a 7-year fence. Arbitrator Eischen clearly was smart enough to see that everyone and their mother would want to bid over to the Airbus. To protect both the Frontier pilots' large fleet type, and also realizing it represented the highest pay for the airline pilot group, the arbitrator put in place a 7 year fence. This fence is reasonable and expected. Sure, the arbitrator could have said screw this, and not have any fences, but there was one. It's a binding arbitration award.

Second, what lack of respect? Where have I disrespected you? In fact, not a single post of mine has ever had language, cuss words, or ever been edited for TOS violations by a moderator in regards to Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan threads. Meanwhile, others here have had their posts edited because they start cussing and violating TOS. Just see for yourself. I actually have the ability to write out well thought out paragraphs, even if you disagree with it.

As for my position on the SLI, it is what it is, and there is no point in talking to any boys. They can't do anything about it. However, I will still speak up for what's in the best interest of the 9E pilots. You may say you're Pinnacle and that we're all Pinnacle, but that's not true. Management made it clear that the Colgan certificate would continue for prop operations. Now if the Saab and/or Q fleet is parked, of course I'll speak up for the best interest of the 9E group: out of seniority order furloughs. The 9E pilots already took a brunt of the force from the Mesaba Saab displacements, the last thing we need is another displacement and downgrades for 9E pilots to accomodate Colgan's downfall.

Before you flip out and attack me, realize that I've posted what I think is a well-written, thought out post. Please try and do the same, instead of attacking and violating TOS (you know who you are).

 

Respect seniority, are you serious?. I am sure you were one of the guys that advocated for a staple job, right?

Let me fill you in on a little secret.... As a professional pilot, you should never advocate a staple job or out of seniority furloughs. Secondly, we as a pilot a group should do whatever we can to keep our brothers and sisters off the street and avoid a furlough. I wouldn't expect someone of your moral compass to comprehend this, being that you applied to GoJets and rescinded your resume due to that fact there was a gmail address involved. Never mind the fact GoJets whipsaw'd TSA pilots....

As for a useless contribution to this tread.... Well, I am simply matching all your bi****ing and moaning over your precious upgrade and how life is so unfair if it doesn't benefit you Shy.... Carry on Delta Bravo...

 

[QUOTE=ShyGuy;1134288]The Bloch SLI did not respect seniority and longevity as we know it. Therefore, I do advocate out of seniority furlough. For example, if the Colgan Saabs are parked, I don't think any 9E or XJ pilot should be affected. They should downgrade and furlough the Colgan Saab pilots from the original Colgan list.

As for my position on the SLI, it is what it is, and there is no point in talking to any boys. They can't do anything about it. However, I will still speak up for what's in the best interest of the 9E pilots. You may say you're Pinnacle and that we're all Pinnacle, but that's not true. Management made it clear that the Colgan certificate would continue for prop operations. Now if the Saab and/or Q fleet is parked, of course I'll speak up for the best interest of the 9E group: out of seniority order furloughs. The 9E pilots already took a brunt of the force from the Mesaba Saab displacements, the last thing we need is another displacement and downgrades for 9E pilots to accomodate Colgan's downfall.
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Its sad that you still think there is a Colgan, Mesaba, and Pinnacle pilot group and that Colgan/Mesaba owe you. Whether you like it or not we are one pilot group and we, collectively, should act as such. If everyone at 9E felt the way you do why do I see quite a few MSP, DTW, and a few ATL FO's upgrading into the Q400 in Newark? Are they going to no longer be part of your "9E" group since they are moving over to the Colgan side of the operation?
I disagree with almost everything you have posted thus far about the integration, displacements, and especially an out of seniority furlough. If I had bid over to a 9E jet instead of staying on the Saab should I also be furloughed or should my new status as a 200 CA protect me? The way I see it the majority of us Colganites did stay on our turboprop although a large number of us could have bid into the jet... so why the hatred?
Finally... you don't have to use 4 letter words or violate the TOS to be utterly disrespectful of others... I do hope you get to upgrade sooner than later because if you haven't figured it out already respect is earned... it is not given blindly because of what position you hold or what you fly.

Y'all have a good week and stay safe out there!

 

You should have your union card pulled. No member in good standing should ever advocate out of seniority furlough. The idea is preposterous, and obviously 100% selfish on your part. You and I didn't have a thing to do with the SLI, and I am just as upset about the results as you are. There are guys years junior to me that are now captains and hundreds of numbers senior to me. The fact is Shy, whatever you and I think was fair doesn't matter, the ISL IS THE NEW SENIORITY LIST, and it will be honored. If Corp does go under, and decides to eliminate the 9L side, anything could happen. There could be out of seniority furloughs. The fact that you WANT that to happen is appalling.

To be sure I understand your point...You are against a 7% pay cut because the problems that the company is in isn't your fault, and that if they can't afford us, well then its time to shut the place down.

Now you advocate out of seniority furloughs because "all those training events would be a financial disaster for the company". So which is it Shy, its not ok to take a pay cut, but its ok to furlough 600 guys? You're a blatant, selfish, hypocrite Shy.

In your honest opinion, would you feel the same way if Delta parked all of 9E 200 flying? Would you advocate out of seniority furloughs then?

 

This out of seniority furlough stuff blows my mind. Stapling pilot groups below others...yikes. I would have been for a straight DOH integration, but it sounds like things weren't that simple. Time to move forward the best we can. And who knows, all this squabbling could end up in a safety or legal problem if we can't get along.