The hard way. Twice. If I ever get back into the airlines, I'll have the biggest hard on for scope you ever did see. And I'm sure I won't be alone.

 

eaglefly,

the aircraft will say oneworld on the side, A320, B737, B767 operated by British Airways and Iberia flying throughout the USA, OPENSKIES. You new BRAND.

You swing with the fence gate , dependent on where you are, whether AE or AA. But APA has always been short sighted and will be again. The only thing APA just as Alpa can do is call mgt move.

Eaglefly, seems you have inflated your importance again. Were you not an ALPA rep that kept selling out the pilot group here at AE?

Just remember, just like AE, APA does not own any routes in the USA. AA might own slots, but they can be leased out. All route overseas are mostly with openskies agreed countries, no routes owned by AA, routes can be flown by anyone.

AA needs a major overhaul, its intenational flight inflight service lags very far behind most US carriers and definitly way behind foriegn carriers. Domestic, AA is nothing more than an overpriced hamburger, and stale.

 

AA is nothing more than an overpriced hamburger, and stale.

Now that is funny, I don't care who you are

 

I've heard a couple remarks on this and I think the only guys wanting this are the really senior guys who only have a few years left or the really junior guys who get excited about the thought of flying a bigger airplane. Most of the guys talking about it are just yanking your chain and messing around, from my perspective. Anyone wishing to get these aircraft either have ulterior motives or clearly do not see the big picture.

I really hope American is somehow able to maintain it's current scope. I know that is highly unlikely though, so hopefully they can limit it to the E175.

That being said, I was hoping to make a career out of this. Eagle is not what I had in mind.

As a side note, I readily admit that I may have a reoccurring wet dream of combining the seniority lists. Maybe you should put that at the forefront of your negotiations.

 

I certainly think that there will be larger Embraer’s in an American paint job, but no current AMR pilot will ever operate them. While we can have a ****ing match between AA and AE, management is done with negotiating. They want to go down the road paved by Delta, United, and Airways. There will be 4 regionals flying for AA and I doubt the future has AE doing any. Eagle will become the next Comair, too much of a burden for its big daddy so it will be snuffed out. These E-jets will be treated like the Delta JFK CRJ-900’s. They will be owned by AA and flow by the cheapest pilot group of the month.
I wish the one list could happen but never will. When management achieves its goal of 50% outsourced flying by multiple partners, they never need to worry about a strike again. These guys learned from the Lorenzo tactics and will magnify the busting technique.

 

AE doesn't own any flying. It's not yours, nor is it mainlines. I don't even know why we have unions anymore. There's little unity remaining in this profession. Sad indeed.

 

If Eagle is going away, why let 119 pilots that were on the ATR sit around with pay until April to incur the cost of training to move to other equipment? Granted that could always change since this is the first half of Feb but I would think they would have furloughed immediately (other than the DEC 5th class.) I really expected AMR to try and furlough out of seniority order so they could avoid the big training bubble. IMO they have bigger plans for Eagle. What they are none of us know. Only time will tell.

 

Agreed. All the more reason to seek and maintain as much job protection as possible.

We ALL swing with the gate of whatever fence we happen to be on at any given time. If you go to SWA, I'd expect you to turn red, orange and blue.

Well now. Isn't this a nice unsubstantiated accusation ? No, I've never been an ALPA rep. Were you not that Eagle pilot who wrote everyone up senior to him in the hope of upgrading faster ? .....or perhaps you were the Eagle pilot I heard about who fantasized about pushing others down the stairs to see what it would sound like ?

Get a life, dude.

Yes, this is te EXACT rationalization that those who seek to steal as much flying (and jobs) from AA as possible. In fact, from ANYONE. Again, we're at least making an effort to try and stop that. If we fail, the house of cards eventually falls for everyone and all pilots will have no job security at all.

Since this is OBVIOUSLY what you're advocating...........um, get a life, dude.

Yes, the product does need serious improvement. But using your own analogy, Eagle's product is among the worst in the industry hands down and way worse then AA's. By virtue of that fact, if AA's product is an overpriced, stale hamburger, Eagle's product is what the poor schmuck puked up after he ate it.

There's a segment here arguing that AA should hire off the street to avoid having to accept the "undesirables" at Eagle. Congrats...........you just made their argument much stronger.

 

Well, I've heard guys talking about it amongst themselves and I was in civvies. Believe me, you are absolutley correct, it's mostly a very senior core (like our "buddy" above) who want to stay at Eagle and would push anyone and everyone in front of a bus, if it got them their desires. They are then indoctrinating all the young pups coming up still intoxicated at wearing an airline pilots uniform.

Basically, the blind.........well, actually the greedy, leading the blind.

Well, I think AMR WILL get the ability to place E175's at regional carriers. If they do, I would expect job protections IF it costs AA pilot jobs in the process. Eagles "career" prospects are going to be much worse then previous (of course, so are AA's). The "one list" is being trumpeted by some and argued against by others. Inheriting certain undesirables is the main argument and well, lets face it.............one can see here, there is some validity to it. Many believe the AA pilots group would be far better off with pilots who WANT to work for and see AA prosper and not those who previously tried to screw them when it was in their best interests. I would think ay pilot group would consider their future strength in the same fashion.

I'm still neutral and open to consider both options (if we even get a choice), but I'm starting to lean more towards the latter argument, strictly for future cohesion of the pilot group. We'll see though if that develops any legs.

 

Your saying sveral regionals feeding AA ?

That I could see.