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Old 02-10-2012 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
AE doesn't own any flying. It's not yours, nor is it mainlines. I don't even know why we have unions anymore. There's little unity remaining in this profession. Sad indeed.
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Old 02-10-2012 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by squawkoff
If Eagle is going away, why let 119 pilots that were on the ATR sit around with pay until April to incur the cost of training to move to other equipment? Granted that could always change since this is the first half of Feb but I would think they would have furloughed immediately (other than the DEC 5th class.) I really expected AMR to try and furlough out of seniority order so they could avoid the big training bubble. IMO they have bigger plans for Eagle. What they are none of us know. Only time will tell.
I think AMR doesn't want to lose market share during Chapter 11. Thus, they want to renegotiate short-term leases on the Embraer fleet and make a smooth replacement process once they exit. How many and where those replacements go, is the question.

In the mean time, Eagle doesn't yet know the scope (pun intended) of its future or the schedule of replacement. We'll have to wait a bit longer to get some answers.
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Old 02-10-2012 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I think AMR doesn't want to lose market share during Chapter 11. Thus, they want to renegotiate short-term leases on the Embraer fleet and make a smooth replacement process once they exit. How many and where those replacements go, is the question.

In the mean time, Eagle doesn't yet know the scope (pun intended) of its future or the schedule of replacement. We'll have to wait a bit longer to get some answers.

Totally agree but I would think if that is their intention they would do something to indicate that. I have no idea the cost to train a CA and FO on the EMJ but would think they would try to avoid that cost. Then again, this AMR we're talking about.
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Old 02-10-2012 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by squawkoff
Totally agree but I would think if that is their intention they would do something to indicate that. I have no idea the cost to train a CA and FO on the EMJ but would think they would try to avoid that cost. Then again, this AMR we're talking about.
I've heard most initial training events like sims, checkrides and IOE have stopped while Eagle waits to find out its future.
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Old 02-10-2012 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I've heard most initial training events like sims, checkrides and IOE have stopped while Eagle waits to find out its future.
I'm scheduled to start training on 2 April. Nice vacation. Speaking of vacation. I just received an HI6 stating my vacation that they assigned me has been cancelled. Still trying to find out why. I was displaced and there is no vacation blocks open after June on the EMJ. I'm slated to finish training in July. Essentialy I'm on vacation now and hope they don't try and make me take it prior to April since I'm waiting with pay for April. We'll see.
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Old 02-10-2012 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by squawkoff
I'm scheduled to start training on 2 April. Nice vacation. Speaking of vacation. I just received an HI6 stating my vacation that they assigned me has been cancelled. Still trying to find out why. I was displaced and there is no vacation blocks open after June on the EMJ. I'm slated to finish training in July. Essentialy I'm on vacation now and hope they don't try and make me take it prior to April since I'm waiting with pay for April. We'll see.
When I was at Eagle, they only had the capabilty to see about 3 inches in front of their face. 4/2 is about 7 weeks from now and they still have time to alter that schedule or not. Prolly not making any moves one way or the other till then end of February or at least closer to that. If they keep all or most of the Embraers for now until replaced in 6-12 months, then you'd probably still train.

IIRC, once you are awarded training to a new status, you lose your vacation and must rebid for scraps. If they for some reason DO cancel your training, they should re-award you your original vacation. Best of luck...........
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Old 02-10-2012 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Your saying sveral regionals feeding AA ?

That I could see.
At least four in each hub. No service interruption and you don't have to deal with a pesky labor relations problem. The product will go to Sh1t though but will be cheap. I'm sure my former company is salivating at the chance to undercut the cost to get a foot in the door.
I can also see the full half of AA's flying be done by codeshare partners.
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Old 02-10-2012 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DashDriverYV
At least four in each hub. No service interruption and you don't have to deal with a pesky labor relations problem. The product will go to Sh1t though but will be cheap. I'm sure my former company is salivating at the chance to undercut the cost to get a foot in the door.
I can also see the full half of AA's flying be done by codeshare partners.
Too many IMHO.....at least in EVERY hub. I think AMR will get a lot of what they want on scope. There will be more RJ's and larger RJ's and multiple carriers, but 4 in each hub seems too many. How many more and how larger will be the question. Not every regional will operate in every hub and I'm also betting turboprops like the Q400 are somewhere in the mix. If AMR does indeed grow AA as well as they are promising, then RJ jobs would go to the pilot group that bids/flies them. But a low-bidder/whipsaw scenario makes for a lousy career. The key for us AT THE VERY LEAST, is to ensure that if RJ growth DOES come at the expense of mainline jobs (like the past), then those who lose jobs get protections by virtue of captains positions on the RJ's. That is at the very LEAST.

If it's AMR's intent to simply outsource to that degree, there's nothing left to save or fight for, for the bottom half of the AA list. Any deal like that simply will result in the bottom half recognizing that (along with many captains who'd become F/O's.......potentially for the remainder of their careers, considering their age), that a vote on any such TA would be no by the majority forcing AMR to proceed with their "plan" with their pilots under a contentious work order and its resulting bedlam. At that point, I think their reorganization plan would fail due to uncertainty and lack of confidence and merger/fragmentation would occur quicker. Considering the history of this company and management, I simply cannot and will not give any blind trust to promises and any "yes" vote on a TA will have to give me confidence in job security. I'll vote no without that, the cosequences be damned.
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Old 02-10-2012 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
When I was at Eagle, they only had the capabilty to see about 3 inches in front of their face. 4/2 is about 7 weeks from now and they still have time to alter that schedule or not. Prolly not making any moves one way or the other till then end of February or at least closer to that. If they keep all or most of the Embraers for now until replaced in 6-12 months, then you'd probably still train.

IIRC, once you are awarded training to a new status, you lose your vacation and must rebid for scraps. If they for some reason DO cancel your training, they should re-award you your original vacation. Best of luck...........
But my vacation and training don't conflict. I am supposed to be out of training in July and my vacation was assigned to me in December.
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Old 02-10-2012 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by squawkoff
But my vacation and training don't conflict. I am supposed to be out of training in July and my vacation was assigned to me in December.
Doesn't matter. Unless they've changed it, you re-bid according to your new status seniority for whatever is left over (or they assign you something or you carry over). It's why senior F/O's who get summer vacations can't become junior reserve captains and keep that senior vacation slot. Otherwise all the formerly senior F/O's who've kept their summer vacations would leave the company with no junior reserve captains during the heavy summer months when the senior captains are all on vacation and when people are calling in sick more often to boot.

It's the price of upgrade and the concept of seniority.
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