Just to clarify, there are NONE allowed OVER 76 seats. 153 of the 255 large RJ's may have 71-76 seats installed. The remaining 102 may have 51-70 seats installed. A large RJ is defined as 51-76 seats installed with a MGTOW up to 86,000 lbs.

 

And to think aa kept it till now to 46 that held about 66.

Other airlines should be trying to get back to that.

 

No outsourced airplane can fly for Delta that is configured with more than 76 seats. If it has 77 seats installed, it has to be flown by mainline pilots.

Delta has opted for a 2 class product, and has even pulled seats out of aircraft that used to seat 70 in order to put in a few first class seats.

There is also a maximum gross weight limit on top of all that which is 86,000 lbs (sickening, I know)...but that restricts the bigger Embraers from operating at their full capability.

Perhaps if you sardine can people on board, sure you can fit 90 people on board a CRJ-900... but that is not an option, nor does Delta want that in their product.... and if they did decide to sardine can 90 people on board, you'd find us double breasted van admirals driving it.

 

I'm all for 0 allowed. If it says Delta in any form on the side, it's flown by a Delta pilot.

 

Regardless of exactly what is going to transpire at AA, the fact is that scope is going in the wrong direction. I think most people will agree there's almost no chance of them keeping the relatively good scope protections they have now. Just curious.... what is US Air's upper scope limit? I know that they do fly the 190 on mainline, but I thought they had pretty high scope allowances (them and Alaska had the highest limit i thought).

 

A big group of them do not even fall under that. They are free to operate at the airplane's limit of 89,000lbs.

 

36 E175's at Compass have MTOW of 89k

 

You're incorrect, unless you define 36 as a big group. The Compass birds were grandfathered in at 89,000lb lbs. When RAH tried to up their weights ALPA was all over it.

This is correct.

 

VIII. Other Terms
A. The following terms apply to operation of the EMB 190 aircraft:
1. EMB 190 aircraft will be operated only by US Airways, America West, or both carriers.
2. EMB 190 aircraft will be operated under the respective operating air carrier’s collective bargaining agreement as modified by this Letter of Agreement.
3. EMB 190 aircraft will be operated under the rates of pay and longevity scale set forth in Attachment D to this Letter of Agreement.
4. EMB 190 aircraft do not count toward the minimum aircraft numbers in the US Airways ALPA collective bargaining agreement

B. Section 1.D.2 of the America West collective bargaining agreement will be modified to increase the maximum seating capacity of jet aircraft flown by Express carriers to a maximum seating capacity of 88 seats (or up to 90 seats if there are no first class seats) and/or certificated maximum take off weight of up to 90,000 pounds.

C. The US Airways and America West collective bargaining agreements will be modified to allow for a combined maximum of ninety-three (93) CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at any given time at Express Carriers

 

Usair pulls down the industry fo raa. Well everyone does when you compare it to aa 46 planes over 50 seats and limited to 70 seats.