freezingflyboy

I agree. There is a "vocal minority" here who I think have lost/never had any perspective. Our contract has been one of THE best out there for almost a decade, even through several updates, extensions and even concessions. Hell, talk to some CAL and United guys, our contract is better than THEIRS in some areas! It's going to take some time to get the blinders off some of the ASA guys and to clean the company kool-aid out of the ATL water supply but it IS happening, slowly but surely. The former management at XJT has long understood that a good working relationship with the pilots and respect from both parties is the best way to run an airline. Yes, when Handley was here, those were dark days. I know many were wronged in many ways, and with pilots all slights and wounds carry with them long scars. But his stay was brief and he's gone now. Let it go guys. Compared to the former XJT management (pre-Handley of course), are our ASA handlers complete buffoons? More than I care to admit. But SkyWest has a history of cooperating with their work groups to keep everyone happy, so does the former XJT. We just need to start winning hearts and minds over at the former ASA.

I suppose in the end it's all relative. The guys that were here during the transition from a small regional with a hodgepodge turboprop fleet to major player with 274 jets will never be happy again because it won't be "what it was" when upgrades were less than 2 years, everyone was young and fun, pay basically tripled for most pilots here and we were growing like a weed. And they're right. I don't see us doubling in size again, sorry guys. Nor would I hold my breath for a massive pay increase. If that's what it will take to make you happy then prepare for a long career full of disappointment. And yes, Continental sort of pulled the "favored nation" rug out from under us, much to the collective dismay. Losing vacation passes, losing non-rev priority, etc., it sucked, don't get me wrong but Continental imposed THEIR terms, not our management.

I guess a word of caution to you noobs: If you're flying with a woe-is-me guy who can't shut his mouth about the "good 'ol days", ask him if he was here when we were still taking delivery of new jets. Ask him if he was here during the flow-through (flow-back and shut-off is more accurate, but that's a different story). If he answers yes, then that should give you a clue on where he's coming from.

MoarAlpha

I an an ATL guy and I would agree with you that there are many guys, and the few gals, here that think 'you legacy Xjet folk' want $60/hr in the right seat. I believe, as it has been discussed before, that it's simply lack of communication. Hearing everything through the grape vine is a horrible way to learn what the other guy wants.

It's all about that 'vocal minority' that screws everything up for the more rational I suppose...

I simply want what's fair. Some kind of pay increase to cover AT LEAST inflation with both contracts taken into account. I guess we will see what the MEC agrees to soon or later and vote.

stoki

I may have read your post wrong, but are you saying you don't want a better contract?

JustAnotherPLT

We are all pleasant to each other at work since we are all in the same boat. As for big increases, it would be nice and you should always vote FOR it. Never shrug should and say my small paycheck is enough since I get to fly the shinny jet.

Almost 3 years hasn't seen the grunt of it. A TA means nothing when the pilot group votes it down. Don't understand? You'll see soon enough. We will not have new contract in 2012.

From the recall meeting, "Express side will not like it at first... but once explained they will." HA, that alone is a joke, just like they like PBS. Yea, we've explained that one many times.


I stand by my first statement, go to Skywest Airlines. The new XJT is the the red headed step child to them anyways.

NCR757dxr

Hi,

Would someone mind telling me what the Jr. base is? I'm hoping to get on soon at XJT and would take whatever is given but if I had a choice, I'd love DTW. Where is DTW on the list?

Thanks!

Redraider217

Thanks alot, i will pm you as soon as i get 10 posts.....per the forum rules lol

johnso29

Well, I think DTW is only a base for the CRJ700. My understanding is that a majority of the most recent hiring is for the E145 operation with bases in EWR, CLE, ORD, and IAH. I don't think being hired on to the CRJ700 is an option right now. Hopefully a XE pilot can chime in.

Redraider217

I know that wherever it go (if i get to go) there will be plenty of folks who are unhappy with certain aspects (or most aspects) i dont typically fall victim to other peoples feelings (good or bad) I listen to what they have and dont presume to tell them theyre wrong for thinking that.

I am no stranger to SOME of these issues in my current line of work. However, i can tell you this, I believe i know for the most part what im getting in to right?

Low pay
Long nights
FATIGUE
Nights away from home
cranky customers

but at the end of the day its still a job where you get to operate large machinery!

Redraider217

this is my understanding as well....ERJ only and even that is getting full, thus the reason for my concern with the "pool" ive been placed in.

CRJDriver

Most jr. FO in DTW is 5/31/2011 hire. Current CRJ new hire class will be IAD and ATL.