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04-28-2012 | 05:14 PM
#32
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Haha!
Unfortunately I fly with quite a few lifers that share none of my enthusiasm for bettering our contract. When I talk gains they reference CT or BH preaching how competitive the industry is and how we need to get our costs in line. I have no idea how common this mentality is, just my experience the last year or so.
Unfortunately I fly with quite a few lifers that share none of my enthusiasm for bettering our contract. When I talk gains they reference CT or BH preaching how competitive the industry is and how we need to get our costs in line. I have no idea how common this mentality is, just my experience the last year or so.
Since when has the MEC been flying the line?
04-28-2012 | 05:17 PM
#33
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From: EMB 145 CPT
If xjt and Asa will ever agree to a contract we will be fine. Otherwise I'd go to Skywest. Xjt seems to want their cake and eat it too on this contract and is ****ing off a lot of people at Asa who realize what makes for a contract where the flying doesn't all just go to blow jets. We know, they already took a bunch of our 700's because they were cheaper. Now xjt wants us to become more expensive with a best of both worlds contract. Until they wake up, expressjet will see a lot of flying to go other regionals, and major stagnation (which Asa is already experiencing).
Haha!
Unfortunately I fly with quite a few lifers that share none of my enthusiasm for bettering our contract. When I talk gains they reference CT or BH preaching how competitive the industry is and how we need to get our costs in line. I have no idea how common this mentality is, just my experience the last year or so.
Unfortunately I fly with quite a few lifers that share none of my enthusiasm for bettering our contract. When I talk gains they reference CT or BH preaching how competitive the industry is and how we need to get our costs in line. I have no idea how common this mentality is, just my experience the last year or so.
those below them?
I would love a great contract, but I also realize that the industry leading wages usually don't last long, or you get to see your flying go to other places. Let's be realistic and get something better, perhaps not what I hear all these xjet guys want though. I'm not a lifer, but 6 years is enough as an FO I don't care what regional your at. We are all basically contract workers, when u get to be the most expensive contractor, guess what..your customer goes elsewhere.
04-28-2012 | 05:39 PM
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04-28-2012 | 08:57 PM
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Do you expect the ERJ side to agree to anything that isn't at least as good as they have now? If getting something better means flying going somewhere else, so be it. I personably don't want to sell myself out.
Amazing 401k? It's not amazing by any stretch of the imagination!
The ERJ side has had industry leading wages and it's actually growing in number of aircraft.
Amazing 401k? It's not amazing by any stretch of the imagination!
The ERJ side has had industry leading wages and it's actually growing in number of aircraft.
Expressjet got bought, yet they still have the desire to want to sink the company that bailed them out of having to take concessions. No one gets a better contract in BK and now y'all are not headed for it, that is unless you want to sink ASA too. And for what? A few years of another "industry leading" contract only to be praying you dont go BK when mainline drops you years down the road?
Your a contractor, in fact a sub contractor, and yet you demand to be paid as if there is no one else that mainline can turn to for a regional feed. GoJets is the classic example, or mesa, or whoever.
Growth = movement and better schedules, and thats exactly what will not happen when you get to be the most expensive. Im not saying we go the route of being broke and flying like GoJets, but we are far from that...lets get a better contract, but not one that blows everything everyone else has away. In a perfect world we would be getting paid the same as mainline and have 100% job security, blah blah blah. Get over it, your at a regional, if your a lifer...sorry, but most of us want to move on and not sit as FOs for a decade either. Getting paid over 100k a year (left seat)...and thats only after 10 years isn't bad. But its never enough...
04-28-2012 | 09:05 PM
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Of course with only 4 bases things could change quickly, just my take on things
04-28-2012 | 11:41 PM
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Expressjet was headed for bankruptcy, you were expensive and continental pulled a lot of flying, gee I wonder...your industry leading contract must have had nothing what so ever to do with that.
Expressjet got bought, yet they still have the desire to want to sink the company that bailed them out of having to take concessions. No one gets a better contract in BK and now y'all are not headed for it, that is unless you want to sink ASA too. And for what? A few years of another "industry leading" contract only to be praying you dont go BK when mainline drops you years down the road?
Your a contractor, in fact a sub contractor, and yet you demand to be paid as if there is no one else that mainline can turn to for a regional feed. GoJets is the classic example, or mesa, or whoever.
Growth = movement and better schedules, and thats exactly what will not happen when you get to be the most expensive. Im not saying we go the route of being broke and flying like GoJets, but we are far from that...lets get a better contract, but not one that blows everything everyone else has away. In a perfect world we would be getting paid the same as mainline and have 100% job security, blah blah blah. Get over it, your at a regional, if your a lifer...sorry, but most of us want to move on and not sit as FOs for a decade either. Getting paid over 100k a year (left seat)...and thats only after 10 years isn't bad. But its never enough...
Expressjet got bought, yet they still have the desire to want to sink the company that bailed them out of having to take concessions. No one gets a better contract in BK and now y'all are not headed for it, that is unless you want to sink ASA too. And for what? A few years of another "industry leading" contract only to be praying you dont go BK when mainline drops you years down the road?
Your a contractor, in fact a sub contractor, and yet you demand to be paid as if there is no one else that mainline can turn to for a regional feed. GoJets is the classic example, or mesa, or whoever.
Growth = movement and better schedules, and thats exactly what will not happen when you get to be the most expensive. Im not saying we go the route of being broke and flying like GoJets, but we are far from that...lets get a better contract, but not one that blows everything everyone else has away. In a perfect world we would be getting paid the same as mainline and have 100% job security, blah blah blah. Get over it, your at a regional, if your a lifer...sorry, but most of us want to move on and not sit as FOs for a decade either. Getting paid over 100k a year (left seat)...and thats only after 10 years isn't bad. But its never enough...
We are all in this together, and listening to rumors from either side doesn't help. All of us want the company to succeed and a fair contract isn't a bad thing. I don't expect the moon and I think most of the ERJ guys realize the whole subcontractor thing and would agree with you.
04-29-2012 | 04:19 AM
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Do you expect the ERJ side to agree to anything that isn't at least as good as they have now? If getting something better means flying going somewhere else, so be it. I personably don't want to sell myself out.
Amazing 401k? It's not amazing by any stretch of the imagination!
The ERJ side has had industry leading wages and it's actually growing in number of aircraft.
Amazing 401k? It's not amazing by any stretch of the imagination!
The ERJ side has had industry leading wages and it's actually growing in number of aircraft.
04-29-2012 | 04:32 AM
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From: Airbus button pusher
Man what u said is so wrong. Please don't blame the pilots wages on our bankruptcy. It was inept management, NOT the pilots contract.
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