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04-29-2012 | 04:54 PM
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Does anyone else have a feeling that they are going to try to sell us some crap contract and say that we will get more flying if we sign it? Tell us how awesome it is, and that we should all embrace it as a gift from god. Just like PBS? I do. Don't fall for that crap. That's my two cents for this thread. Peace
04-29-2012 | 05:55 PM
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Does anyone else have a feeling that they are going to try to sell us some crap contract and say that we will get more flying if we sign it? Tell us how awesome it is, and that we should all embrace it as a gift from god. Just like PBS? I do. Don't fall for that crap. That's my two cents for this thread. Peace
/unrelated
I'm sick and tired of 12 year guys telling 6 year FOs how great it used to be, Brasillias, fly through DFW amazing three days...
I've heard it literally a thousand times now. Update your logbook and apply somewhere else. I could NOT. CARE. LESS. about your DFW base or sweet three days of the past.
/rant
but not really, I had a guy that could have been a street captain have the balls to tell me how bad he had it as a six year FO, by choice.
::nominates self for tool of the day::
04-29-2012 | 06:00 PM
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Does anyone else have a feeling that they are going to try to sell us some crap contract and say that we will get more flying if we sign it? Tell us how awesome it is, and that we should all embrace it as a gift from god. Just like PBS? I do. Don't fall for that crap. That's my two cents for this thread. Peace
If they want to tell us that we'll get more flying if, for example, we only get a small cost of living pay increase, there is a simple way to handle that - you give us a contract with an even bigger pay raise, with contingent reductions based on management's performance in getting us more flying. That way, they have leverage AND incentive to work hard to acquire more flying, and we win either way.
In any case, we need to be creative and put the onus on them while giving them the ability to go out and win more contracts. At the same time, we can't sell ourselves short and commit to concessions for a vague promise of something better in the future that may or may not come.
04-29-2012 | 06:52 PM
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Do you expect the ERJ side to agree to anything that isn't at least as good as they have now? If getting something better means flying going somewhere else, so be it. I personably don't want to sell myself out.
Amazing 401k? It's not amazing by any stretch of the imagination!
The ERJ side has had industry leading wages and it's actually growing in number of aircraft.
Amazing 401k? It's not amazing by any stretch of the imagination!
The ERJ side has had industry leading wages and it's actually growing in number of aircraft.
Expressjet got bought, yet they still have the desire to want to sink the company that bailed them out of having to take concessions. No one gets a better contract in BK and now y'all are not headed for it, that is unless you want to sink ASA too. And for what? A few years of another "industry leading" contract only to be praying you dont go BK when mainline drops you years down the road?
Your a contractor, in fact a sub contractor, and yet you demand to be paid as if there is no one else that mainline can turn to for a regional feed. GoJets is the classic example, or mesa, or whoever.
Growth = movement and better schedules, and thats exactly what will not happen when you get to be the most expensive. Im not saying we go the route of being broke and flying like GoJets, but we are far from that...lets get a better contract, but not one that blows everything everyone else has away. In a perfect world we would be getting paid the same as mainline and have 100% job security, blah blah blah. Get over it, your at a regional, if your a lifer...sorry, but most of us want to move on and not sit as FOs for a decade either. Getting paid over 100k a year (left seat)...and thats only after 10 years isn't bad. But its never enough...
Do you expect the ERJ side to agree to anything that isn't at least as good as they have now? If getting something better means flying going somewhere else, so be it. I personably don't want to sell myself out.
Amazing 401k? It's not amazing by any stretch of the imagination!
The ERJ side has had industry leading wages and it's actually growing in number of aircraft.
Amazing 401k? It's not amazing by any stretch of the imagination!
The ERJ side has had industry leading wages and it's actually growing in number of aircraft.
04-30-2012 | 06:47 AM
#67
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From: A320
amen +1
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I'm sick and tired of 12 year guys telling 6 year FOs how great it used to be, Brasillias, fly through DFW amazing three days...
I've heard it literally a thousand times now. Update your logbook and apply somewhere else. I could NOT. CARE. LESS. about your DFW base or sweet three days of the past.
/rant
but not really, I had a guy that could have been a street captain have the balls to tell me how bad he had it as a six year FO, by choice.
::nominates self for tool of the day::
/unrelated
I'm sick and tired of 12 year guys telling 6 year FOs how great it used to be, Brasillias, fly through DFW amazing three days...
I've heard it literally a thousand times now. Update your logbook and apply somewhere else. I could NOT. CARE. LESS. about your DFW base or sweet three days of the past.
/rant
but not really, I had a guy that could have been a street captain have the balls to tell me how bad he had it as a six year FO, by choice.
::nominates self for tool of the day::
Has anyone heard the only FO on the negotiating committee was "replaced" and now the most junior pilot on it is 11+ years at the company? Gee, I wonder what part of the pilot group will come out on top yet again..
04-30-2012 | 09:33 AM
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So what do we do about this? What do we need to do to get proper representation?
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