Hey, thanks man. I just thought, "hey, while we're talking about things that have nothing to do with the original post..."

Anyone at the "recall" meeting Friday? I was working or I probably would have had a mind to go. Curious as to how the whole thing was received. WF, I know you're out there - how about some thoughts?

Does anyone else have a feeling that they are going to try to sell us some crap contract and say that we will get more flying if we sign it? Tell us how awesome it is, and that we should all embrace it as a gift from god. Just like PBS? I do. Don't fall for that crap. That's my two cents for this thread. Peace

amen +1

/unrelated

I'm sick and tired of 12 year guys telling 6 year FOs how great it used to be, Brasillias, fly through DFW amazing three days...

I've heard it literally a thousand times now. Update your logbook and apply somewhere else. I could NOT. CARE. LESS. about your DFW base or sweet three days of the past.

/rant

but not really, I had a guy that could have been a street captain have the balls to tell me how bad he had it as a six year FO, by choice.

::nominates self for tool of the day::

If there is one thing I've learned in life in general, and specifically when it comes to airlines, is that you should never commit to something (especially long term) based on the promise of benefits in the future.

If they want to tell us that we'll get more flying if, for example, we only get a small cost of living pay increase, there is a simple way to handle that - you give us a contract with an even bigger pay raise, with contingent reductions based on management's performance in getting us more flying. That way, they have leverage AND incentive to work hard to acquire more flying, and we win either way.

In any case, we need to be creative and put the onus on them while giving them the ability to go out and win more contracts. At the same time, we can't sell ourselves short and commit to concessions for a vague promise of something better in the future that may or may not come.

First of all, not a lifer (that I know of yet at least), I'm a 7 year FO. Second, the reason why XJT was going bl was because of the whipsaw that CAL and SKW pulled on XJT, NOT because of our industry leading contract. Third, the main reason SKW bought XJT and decided to merge it with ASA (a concession from their first buyout attempt) was because soon ASA was going to start losing money when lowered to the 2nd lowest DCI carrier. So don't try to pretend like ASA or SKW were saviors in this. I have no desire to sink anything but like I said, do you expect the ERJ pilots to agree to ANYTHING that is not at least as good as we have now? If that is too much to ask for, then I'm perfectly ok with staying separate. Like I said, it's the ERJ side growing but even if it wasn't, I'm personally not interested in giving anything I have for a CHANCE at being the next Gojet. I suggest you come up with a plan B so you are not so beholden and desperate to give stuff up and sell yourself up for that supposed fast upgrade and job at mainline.

Wages was the wrong word. Our compensation, not including soft time in our contract, we have a industry leading 401k and defined contribution plan. When you add up just those into our wages, we get close to most CRJ900 compensation. And we are growing. If it brings us to bk, so be it. I'll go do something else.

Sounds like every 4 day I get too. The vast majority of non reserve captains I fly with are now self described "lifers" and have drank the masses drank the Kool-Aid about being cost effective and are scared ****less of losing more flying to Gojets. This is all thanks to the 3 year North Korean style brainwashing and censorship where every email and update put out by the company talked about how we have to be cost effective, cut costs, control costs, etc, they now are all convinced that if we get too much in this contract they will sink with the ship.

Has anyone heard the only FO on the negotiating committee was "replaced" and now the most junior pilot on it is 11+ years at the company? Gee, I wonder what part of the pilot group will come out on top yet again..

So what do we do about this? What do we need to do to get proper representation?

This thread isn't helping our negotiations by the way. Please keep your opinions of what you'll vote for in a private forum.

Not true!...