Crj
#21
I went to a four year Catholic U. That is besides the point though; I respect those who get all of their tickets at an FBO(or four year U) and work there way up the ranks.....not just buy a RJ right seat(as they do at ATP)
So what are the ranks, lets see.
1. Student
2. Instructor
3. Right Seat at a Regional Airline
If you want to talk about people who skip step #2, then you need to talk to the people who go through Mesa's Pilot Development program or whatever it is called. No one comes to ATP and after getting their certificates, goes straight into a right seat of a RJ at 250-300 hours. Well, ATP does have the Airline Transition Program, but I really don't agree with that one even though those guys have more than the Mesa students, but only a few have done that program. Over 95% of all pilots that come out of ATP, did the Career Pilot Program, instructed, and then moved on. But in your mind you wouldn't respect me because I went through the career program, instructed, and now I am on with a regional, and I also have a 4 year degree from state university, and not to mention a LT in the United States Naval Reserves, but I guess none of that matters in your mind. In the long run, we all have FAA certificates, the FAA doesn't care where they came from, I personally hold nothing against anyone because of where they EARNED their certificates and ratings from. The only people who care about that kind of stuff are pilots like you. I respect people based on who they are, not because of what flight school they attended. Maybe you should try the same. And if you have flown with people from ATP who were bad pilots, than maybe the airline you fly for needs to look at their training programs and maybe weed out the weaker pilots. I hold nothing against you personally, I don't know who you are, but I would never say that I wouldn't respect pilots based on that.
So what are the ranks, lets see.
1. Student
2. Instructor
3. Right Seat at a Regional Airline
If you want to talk about people who skip step #2, then you need to talk to the people who go through Mesa's Pilot Development program or whatever it is called. No one comes to ATP and after getting their certificates, goes straight into a right seat of a RJ at 250-300 hours. Well, ATP does have the Airline Transition Program, but I really don't agree with that one even though those guys have more than the Mesa students, but only a few have done that program. Over 95% of all pilots that come out of ATP, did the Career Pilot Program, instructed, and then moved on. But in your mind you wouldn't respect me because I went through the career program, instructed, and now I am on with a regional, and I also have a 4 year degree from state university, and not to mention a LT in the United States Naval Reserves, but I guess none of that matters in your mind. In the long run, we all have FAA certificates, the FAA doesn't care where they came from, I personally hold nothing against anyone because of where they EARNED their certificates and ratings from. The only people who care about that kind of stuff are pilots like you. I respect people based on who they are, not because of what flight school they attended. Maybe you should try the same. And if you have flown with people from ATP who were bad pilots, than maybe the airline you fly for needs to look at their training programs and maybe weed out the weaker pilots. I hold nothing against you personally, I don't know who you are, but I would never say that I wouldn't respect pilots based on that.
I agree with this statement 100%, I cant beleive someone would actually have this point of view towards other pilots but I guess I my opinion shouldnt matter since I am one of the academy undertrained dangers waiting to happen.
#22
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[quote=ctd57;73817]You don't understand the program, it is meant as a basic intro to how a CRJ functions, and yes ATP does have some letters of agreement with certain regionals, but that is to interview only, you still have to get yourself through the interview. Talk about a waste of money, if it takes you 4 months to understand how a gas turbine engine works and systems for another 4 months you have bigger things to worry about than ATP's CRJ course. The Gas Turbine Engine is one of the easiest parts of a jet to understand. It does not take 8 months to understand a CRJ.
Evidently you must eat and chew your food without tasting it...meaning you must believe in the learning style of memorize then dump it once you pass the checkride. You know I rather fly with a guy (or gal) that took their time and understands the componentry of systems in emergency situation than a person who sat down and memorizes what makes up a Intergrated Drive Generator (IDG) and not understands how it works. (Hint for your checkride...IDG = CSD + Generator...good luck in your ventures...memorize well)
Evidently you must eat and chew your food without tasting it...meaning you must believe in the learning style of memorize then dump it once you pass the checkride. You know I rather fly with a guy (or gal) that took their time and understands the componentry of systems in emergency situation than a person who sat down and memorizes what makes up a Intergrated Drive Generator (IDG) and not understands how it works. (Hint for your checkride...IDG = CSD + Generator...good luck in your ventures...memorize well)
#23
If you read my entire post, you would see that I noted that the DPE's are on the ATP payroll and RARELY fail anybody. i.e. they are not examining to the proper standards(IMHO). I know that things may seem ideal to some, but in the real world things "non-standard" sometimes happen. The owner is a fedex capt and has much "clout" with many DPE's. Trust me, I know plenty of pilots who went through the program and I am not impressed. Can we say "buy a license"?
In employment circles / for federal government purposes / to work as a commercial pilot in USA :A pilot with ratings from a university program is just as qualified as a graduate of ALLATPS 90 day program. ONLY GRADUATES OF MILITARY ACADEMIES AND MILITARY FLIGHT PROGRAMS HAVE AN / ANY ADVANTAGE.
For some of us the only viable choice is to pay a premium to get the same education in less time. I for one would like to start work as a commercial pilot sooner than later. I find dragging out training to be counterproductive. I like a fast paced / structured learning environment.
V/r,
LAFF
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Iflyjets4food....That is some funny sh**!!! Can I borrow that!!!.....Whew... oh my stomach!!!
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#26
"Evidently you must eat and chew your food without tasting it...meaning you must believe in the learning style of memorize then dump it once you pass the checkride. You know I rather fly with a guy (or gal) that took their time and understands the componentry of systems in emergency situation than a person who sat down and memorizes what makes up a Intergrated Drive Generator (IDG) and not understands how it works. (Hint for your checkride...IDG = CSD + Generator...good luck in your ventures...memorize well)"
No I don't believe in dumping after checkride. I am not trying to agrue, but from my personal experience, it didn't take me 4 months to learn about the workings of the engine. If you are trying to become and engineer to build these engines or become an A&P, I can see spending extended periods of time studying the workings, but to be a pilot and understand how everything works, just doesn't take that long. Your not impressing anyone by saying you know what an IDG is. I have been there and done that, and my ventures have been quite successful.
No I don't believe in dumping after checkride. I am not trying to agrue, but from my personal experience, it didn't take me 4 months to learn about the workings of the engine. If you are trying to become and engineer to build these engines or become an A&P, I can see spending extended periods of time studying the workings, but to be a pilot and understand how everything works, just doesn't take that long. Your not impressing anyone by saying you know what an IDG is. I have been there and done that, and my ventures have been quite successful.
#27
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Whoa
WOW...
This post became interesting really quick!!!
Thanks to eveyone that posted, it showed me some insight on what i should do. I still have some time to see what this program is about, my thinking is that since they have these hiring alliances with some airlines that they must be doing something right? Wouldnt a basic understanding of aircraft systems help you in ground school? I mean how many people are asked to leave because they lack an understanding, or in that case just dont cut it? Id thinking having sometype of understanding would be a goodthing, the less they have to sit down and explain things to you the better right?
And i dont care if i get a prop or a jet, i just want to do my time with a well respected company, get the PIC, and move the hell on.
This post became interesting really quick!!!
Thanks to eveyone that posted, it showed me some insight on what i should do. I still have some time to see what this program is about, my thinking is that since they have these hiring alliances with some airlines that they must be doing something right? Wouldnt a basic understanding of aircraft systems help you in ground school? I mean how many people are asked to leave because they lack an understanding, or in that case just dont cut it? Id thinking having sometype of understanding would be a goodthing, the less they have to sit down and explain things to you the better right?
And i dont care if i get a prop or a jet, i just want to do my time with a well respected company, get the PIC, and move the hell on.
#28
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Well, HotMamaPilot, let me tell you one thing, I used to work for ATP, and they DO NOT have DPE's on their payroll. I know for a fact that DPE's are not there just to pass people. As professional pilots themselves, why would they pass someone who isn't safe or deficient in some aspect of flying? You may not agree with ATP and how they do business,but what you are saying is totally wrong. I worked for them for over a year and they don't pay off DPE's. Where did you do all of your flight training? Just curious. Every DPE I have come across or personally know through ATP, have failed plenty of ATP students. ATP removes students from the program who cannot meet the standards, so tell me how that is buying your certificates. What do they get from DPE's passing people who cannot meet the PTS, nothing. Why would ATP let 2 students who just "bought" their instrument rating, let them fly an airplane all over the place. Just for kicks, name me one DPE who ATP "employs" that won't fail a student or is on their payroll.
#29
I went to a four year Catholic U. That is besides the point though; I respect those who get all of their tickets at an FBO(or four year U) and work there way up the ranks.....not just buy a RJ right seat(as they do at ATP)
So what are the ranks, lets see.
1. Student
2. Instructor
3. Right Seat at a Regional Airline
If you want to talk about people who skip step #2, then you need to talk to the people who go through Mesa's Pilot Development program or whatever it is called. No one comes to ATP and after getting their certificates, goes straight into a right seat of a RJ at 250-300 hours. Well, ATP does have the Airline Transition Program, but I really don't agree with that one even though those guys have more than the Mesa students, but only a few have done that program. Over 95% of all pilots that come out of ATP, did the Career Pilot Program, instructed, and then moved on. But in your mind you wouldn't respect me because I went through the career program, instructed, and now I am on with a regional, and I also have a 4 year degree from state university, and not to mention a LT in the United States Naval Reserves, but I guess none of that matters in your mind. In the long run, we all have FAA certificates, the FAA doesn't care where they came from, I personally hold nothing against anyone because of where they EARNED their certificates and ratings from. The only people who care about that kind of stuff are pilots like you. I respect people based on who they are, not because of what flight school they attended. Maybe you should try the same. And if you have flown with people from ATP who were bad pilots, than maybe the airline you fly for needs to look at their training programs and maybe weed out the weaker pilots. I hold nothing against you personally, I don't know who you are, but I would never say that I wouldn't respect pilots based on that.
So what are the ranks, lets see.
1. Student
2. Instructor
3. Right Seat at a Regional Airline
If you want to talk about people who skip step #2, then you need to talk to the people who go through Mesa's Pilot Development program or whatever it is called. No one comes to ATP and after getting their certificates, goes straight into a right seat of a RJ at 250-300 hours. Well, ATP does have the Airline Transition Program, but I really don't agree with that one even though those guys have more than the Mesa students, but only a few have done that program. Over 95% of all pilots that come out of ATP, did the Career Pilot Program, instructed, and then moved on. But in your mind you wouldn't respect me because I went through the career program, instructed, and now I am on with a regional, and I also have a 4 year degree from state university, and not to mention a LT in the United States Naval Reserves, but I guess none of that matters in your mind. In the long run, we all have FAA certificates, the FAA doesn't care where they came from, I personally hold nothing against anyone because of where they EARNED their certificates and ratings from. The only people who care about that kind of stuff are pilots like you. I respect people based on who they are, not because of what flight school they attended. Maybe you should try the same. And if you have flown with people from ATP who were bad pilots, than maybe the airline you fly for needs to look at their training programs and maybe weed out the weaker pilots. I hold nothing against you personally, I don't know who you are, but I would never say that I wouldn't respect pilots based on that.
#30
If you are able to complete the ATP program, can read / write english, take notes / ask questions / study and show motivation / maturity / and have a work ethic you'll do just fine in airline training / airline flying...
Don't waste your money on some prep-school class. More important don't waste you money...Put the money into an investment and CFI a few more months to meet the mins...
Good luck...
-LAFF
Don't waste your money on some prep-school class. More important don't waste you money...Put the money into an investment and CFI a few more months to meet the mins...
Good luck...
-LAFF
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