The point of this entire thread isn't about piloting the airplane, it's about kicking pax off during boarding for no reason, and getting away with it, and whether or not it is a "right" of a PIC.

 

Yeah, I'm not sure what the point of this thread really is. It started out with "Senior Skipper", who apparently isn't either, asking about the necessity of checking in as a nonrev (you don't).
Then it morphed into whether or not you need to check in with the Captain if you're a jumpseater, but not in the cockpit (you do).
Then there were a bunch of posts saying the same thing over and over. Then there were several wrong posts. Then I posted a funny Homer gif hoping this thread would die.
Then there was you, asking if we would kick Jews off the flight for no reason (I won't).
Then it turned into a pilot v. dispatcher war.

I'm lost on the point here - just sounds like mindless rambling.

I'm done.

 

It was between that, and Maverick_Top_Gun.

No.

Your opinion is noted. Thanks for your constructive responses.

 

LOL, Jughead. Point taken.

 

DeltaDX,

OK, we get it.....as Captains, we can't remove people on a whim, though I don't really think that anyone was suggesting that.

By the same token, somebody earlier suggested that you should read the FOM to see what Delta says on the authority of the Captain. It's in CH 3.1 and basically says they have complete command of the aircraft and crew from the time they report until the time their day ends on the hotel van.

Over the years I've had a couple passengers removed, diverted flights for all sorts of reasons, and delayed flights for anything from lack of catering to stinky lavs. I've even had more fuel added and asked for alternates on the flight plan when they're not technically required.....and you know what? I've never received a call from Flight Ops or Chief Pilots. Not even a "Please come see me" note in my pilot mailbox. I've got a career long streak of never having had an 'official' conversation with the Chief Pilot and I hope to keep it that way. Back when I went to Delta's 'In Command' seminar, they kept saying to the new Captains: "You make the tough call, and we'll back you". While I may have my gripes with Flight Ops management, I've got to say that they've stuck to their promise. They give me pretty wide authority and as long as I make my decision based on Delta's operation priorities (you'll also find those in FOM Ch3.1) I don't hear a peep from them.

I guess what really bothers me, is that you as Delta dispatcher and someone who is jointly responsible for the safe and efficient operation of the flight, seems to have such a low opinion of Captains. You've got 10 messages on the board and all of them are about putting pilots in their place. It's time to lighten up, otherwise you picked the wrong profession if you don't want to work with us egotistical Flyboys.

Edit: I see Jughead beat me to it, so I'm just piling on. Therefore, in the immortal words of the late Rodney King

"Can't we all just get along?"

 

After being a long-time reader, I joined this forum in response to one particular post.

In fact, I have a high opinion of of Captains.

 

There are SO many discrepancies on what the differences and the actual meaning of a jumpseater vs a non-rev. Is there any official link or written definition somewhere? You're right, this stuff isn't taught in ground school. The basic differences nor jumpseat/non-rev etiquette.

 

Son, your usernames are writing checks your body can't cash!

 

There really aren't any discrepancies. Some people are making it more complicated than it is.

 

No kidding, and it's been explained multiple times in this thread.

Non-rev: You are using travel benefits on your airline/your parent airline(s). You are not run through CASS, you are purely waiting to make sure there are enough seats for you and possibly your companions. This is a benefit as part of your employment, and basically at the discretion of the gate agent having enough time to clear you and give you a seat. No need to be in uniform or even show that you're an employee of said airline. You do not need to check in with the captain or crew.

Jumpseater: You are not using travel benefits on your airline or parent airline. You are attempting to ride as an additional crewmember. Depending on load and company, you may be run through CASS. If a seat is available in the back, you will be placed there. If not, you may be allowed to ride in a cockpit jumpseat (or FA jumpseat on some airlines, I believe). Either way, you riding is at the captain's discretion, and checking in IS required.