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Old 07-07-2012 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by yeah sure
Let some of the air out of your over inflated ego, good grief! Let me know who you are and I will have my wife check in with you anytime she flies non rev (which is one of my employment benefits provided by the company and NOT the captain along with the deduction from my paycheck). I'll have her introduce herself and give you a full rundown of where she's going and where she's been and what she thinks of your stupid fabricated rules. As long as the non revs follow the RULES, what gives you the right to use a company plane for your own power trip? No wonder mainline guys think we're a joke.
ill do you one better. ill send my mile a minute overly curious 7 year old to check in. theyll be leaving 30 late.
Old 07-07-2012 | 02:13 PM
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Non-Revs don't have to and shouldn't check in with the captain. The last thing I need while sitting up front is the uncle's cousin's brother checking in with me while on a buddy pass. If you do not have pass privileges on my airline or are requesting to ride in the flight deck then that is the only time I want to see the person. Can you imagine if my wife and 3 kids checked in with the captain everywhere they went. I don't give a flip if there are non-revs in back of my plane that have earned the privilege to be there. The non-rev seats don't belong to the captain. They belong to the employee that earned them.

Now of course I am not referring to captains authority in anyway when I say the seats aren't theirs. The captain is responsible for the flight. But unless they want to be disciplined "up to and including termination", as we like to say around here, then they cant deny boarding to non-revs who are following procedures.
Old 07-07-2012 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jherk02
Delta changed their policy on this within the last year. In the above scenario you will be considered a "non-rev" and not required to check in with the Captain.
You are still traveling on a reciprocal JUMPSEAT agreement. Regardless of your status in the computer, I'd expect to see you in the cockpit before you sat down.
Old 07-07-2012 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jherk02
Delta changed their policy on this within the last year. In the above scenario you will be considered a "non-rev" and not required to check in with the Captain.
Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
What? Can this be true? So an AA guy jumpseating on DL, a gate agents are the ones who grant authority? No need to check in with the CA at all? Hard to believe... Anyone else from DL agree?
It absolutely isn't true. All gate agents must verify a pilot's ability to access the flight deck. So if you're in CASS, it's their job to check. That being said, even if you are in CASS and flight deck approved, with seats available you MUST sit in the cabin if you are an offline jumpseater.(Delta policy) But you must still check in with the CA. You're still jumpseating, and you still need permission.

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Old 07-07-2012 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LateralFlyer
Great contribution.

This stuff is never explained to new hires. How about we educate?

To the OP, the response by the previous poster above explains it well.
It was a valid question. The guy calls himself "senior skipper" and hasnt figured this out??
Old 07-07-2012 | 05:16 PM
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Non-rev is flying on your company, or parent company aircraft with a seat in the cabin. You 'check-in' with the captain as a courtesy and so they know you are an able crewmember in the event of an emergency.

Jumpseating is flying in the cockpit of any aircraft, or sitting in the cabin of a company other than your own. You must go to the cockpit and ask the captain permission to ride aboard his aircraft. It isnt just 'checking in' like a non-rev situation. Even when it is your own company, you must ask permission from the captain to ride in the cockpit.

It might sound like BS and nit-picky, but this is a benefit that was created by pilots/unions decades ago for our benefit. Pilots in other countries dont have this ability like we do. Show some appreciation for the fact that you can live in XYZ city and commute to ABC base, otherwise you'd be relocating your family every few years when the company shuts down the base.
Old 07-07-2012 | 06:37 PM
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Non-rev is flying on your company, or parent company aircraft with a seat in the cabin. You 'check-in' with the captain as a courtesy and so they know you are an able crewmember in the event of an emergency.
Completely disagree! Able crew member? What if I'm going on vacation and I want to have a few drinks while non revving? Are the checkin police going to tell me I can't do that either? It's ridiculous for those that think as a non rev pax using my own flight benefits that I've got to get the CA's blessing. Jumpseat is as everyone says but non revving is my perogative.
Old 07-07-2012 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Non-rev is flying on your company, or parent company aircraft with a seat in the cabin. You 'check-in' with the captain as a courtesy and so they know you are an able crewmember in the event of an emergency.

Jumpseating is flying in the cockpit of any aircraft, or sitting in the cabin of a company other than your own. You must go to the cockpit and ask the captain permission to ride aboard his aircraft. It isnt just 'checking in' like a non-rev situation. Even when it is your own company, you must ask permission from the captain to ride in the cockpit.

It might sound like BS and nit-picky, but this is a benefit that was created by pilots/unions decades ago for our benefit. Pilots in other countries dont have this ability like we do. Show some appreciation for the fact that you can live in XYZ city and commute to ABC base, otherwise you'd be relocating your family every few years when the company shuts down the base.

Absolutely not. I've been on hub to hub flights with 50 non revs on them. Should they all have checked in? Also jumpseating is also flying on your own company as well if u listed for the Jumpseat!! You always ask if your jumpseating even if it's ur own company!!
Old 07-07-2012 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by blakman7
I agree with you bud. I'm not a CA but whenever there is a non-rev on my flight, whether they are gate agents, FA's, rampers or pilots. It doesn't matter. If they see me and say hi, I always ask if they talked to the CA and if they haven't, I turn them right to his/her direction. Non-revving is a privilege and when its taken for granted, you can easily get a one way ticket back to that comfy seat in the gate area. I've had a couple of CA's send people back for just walking past them like they were the visitors and I stood by their decision. Anyone who is getting a free ride should stop by and thank the CA for allowing them to board because you don't have to be a passenger on that aircraft.

If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
Completely wrong. A nonrev has flight benefits bestowed by the company. A flight crew has no say in whether or not a nonrev rides unless that nonrev is creating a disturbance. It is compeletly out of line to deny a nonrev from boarding just because they did not speak. You need to look up policies about company rules instead of enforcing your own.
Old 07-07-2012 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
Completely wrong. A nonrev has flight benefits bestowed by the company. A flight crew has no say in whether or not a nonrev rides unless that nonrev is creating a disturbance. It is compeletly out of line to deny a nonrev from boarding just because they did not speak. You need to look up policies about company rules instead of enforcing your own.
Uh yes, a flight crew (Captain) does have say in who gets on his/her aircraft and who doesn't. If you want to get extreme about it, then even a flight attendant can deny boarding if that person feels unsafe. Of course that is an extreme comparison in relation to this thread but it's there. Believe it or not, out of all of the say that a captain has had stripped from them over the course of time in this industry, it's one of the decisions that a captain still has. What the captain did with that non rev that was hopping a ride could be seen in two ways: right or wrong. I'm not saying that I would've done the same, I'm just saying that based on how the whole situation went down, I can understand why he refused her a ride. Call it what you want. I don't know about your company but companies that I have worked for say nothing about "non rev" policies. Perhaps you should look that up while you're at it.
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