Commuting "Etiquette"
07-07-2012 | 09:47 AM
#21
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I agree with you bud. I'm not a CA but whenever there is a non-rev on my flight, whether they are gate agents, FA's, rampers or pilots. It doesn't matter. If they see me and say hi, I always ask if they talked to the CA and if they haven't, I turn them right to his/her direction. Non-revving is a privilege and when its taken for granted, you can easily get a one way ticket back to that comfy seat in the gate area. I've had a couple of CA's send people back for just walking past them like they were the visitors and I stood by their decision. Anyone who is getting a free ride should stop by and thank the CA for allowing them to board because you don't have to be a passenger on that aircraft.
If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
Nonrevving is part of their employment package. As long as they're complying with the policies and requirements of it, they are entitled to that seat on the airplane. I know of no nonrev policies that require an introduction to the pilots or visit to the cockpit.
I've operated airplanes where we've been carrying dozens of nonrevs. Should I entertain 30-40 introductions from nonrevs when we're 10 minutes prior to push? Theres absolutely no reason for it. If you need a pilot from the back, the FAs are going to be able to find one quick. People wear uniforms, people offhandley mention they're nonrevs to the FAs, and the FAs have paperwork saying who is who.
07-07-2012 | 09:53 AM
#22
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I have to disagree with the whole "non revs" checking with the CA.......IF I was in uniform ....maybe...but if I was with my wife or children and certainly not in uniform..... no.... its not required, nor is it nor should it be expected.
Jumpseating is a TOTALLY different animal....I would/will always ask permission from the captain to ride on his aircraft.
Jumpseating is a TOTALLY different animal....I would/will always ask permission from the captain to ride on his aircraft.
07-07-2012 | 09:54 AM
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And just to be clear...if you are jumpseating, and the gate agent gives you a boarding pass/seat, you're still jumpseating and should ask for a ride. The gate agent has no authority over jumpseating, only the Captain. On several occasions gate agents will give me a seat and say "no need to check in with the captain" or something similar. Of course, I do anyway. Just another example of the constant strain on capt authority.
07-07-2012 | 09:54 AM
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When you're nonrevving, you're not riding on one of the captain's seats. You're riding on the airline's seat. The captain shouldn't ever be bumping nonrevs because he doesn't like them. As long as they're complying with the nonrev policy of said airline and all the requirements of any other passenger, they should be treated as such. They're not a guest of the captain, they're a guest of the airline.
Nonrevving is part of their employment package. As long as they're complying with the policies and requirements of it, they are entitled to that seat on the airplane. I know of no nonrev policies that require an introduction to the pilots or visit to the cockpit.
I've operated airplanes where we've been carrying dozens of nonrevs. Should I entertain 30-40 introductions from nonrevs when we're 10 minutes prior to push? Theres absolutely no reason for it. If you need a pilot from the back, the FAs are going to be able to find one quick. People wear uniforms, people offhandley mention they're nonrevs to the FAs, and the FAs have paperwork saying who is who.
Nonrevving is part of their employment package. As long as they're complying with the policies and requirements of it, they are entitled to that seat on the airplane. I know of no nonrev policies that require an introduction to the pilots or visit to the cockpit.
I've operated airplanes where we've been carrying dozens of nonrevs. Should I entertain 30-40 introductions from nonrevs when we're 10 minutes prior to push? Theres absolutely no reason for it. If you need a pilot from the back, the FAs are going to be able to find one quick. People wear uniforms, people offhandley mention they're nonrevs to the FAs, and the FAs have paperwork saying who is who.
07-07-2012 | 09:59 AM
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From: ATL717A
Sounds like everybody is in agreement here. Non Rev = no check in. Physical jumpseat = obvious check in.
As long as we're here, an annoyance is when some dude interrupts us reading the checklist and says, "I'm on the jumpseat". Amazing how many times this happens.
I'm not old and bitter yet, and I'm not on a power trip, but isn't it just as easy to ask, "Hey - I'm trying to get to work. Can I use the jumpseat?"
As long as we're here, an annoyance is when some dude interrupts us reading the checklist and says, "I'm on the jumpseat". Amazing how many times this happens.
I'm not old and bitter yet, and I'm not on a power trip, but isn't it just as easy to ask, "Hey - I'm trying to get to work. Can I use the jumpseat?"
07-07-2012 | 11:09 AM
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I agree with you bud. I'm not a CA but whenever there is a non-rev on my flight, whether they are gate agents, FA's, rampers or pilots. It doesn't matter. If they see me and say hi, I always ask if they talked to the CA and if they haven't, I turn them right to his/her direction. Non-revving is a privilege and when its taken for granted, you can easily get a one way ticket back to that comfy seat in the gate area. I've had a couple of CA's send people back for just walking past them like they were the visitors and I stood by their decision. Anyone who is getting a free ride should stop by and thank the CA for allowing them to board because you don't have to be a passenger on that aircraft.
If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
Non reving isn't a free ride. Not ever. I don't care if the airline doesn't charge you it's still not a free ride. For most airlines it cost money, and for those that don't charge their regional partners if any still do this it's still not a free ride. I'm guessing this captain is on a lot of guys no fly list. This is extremely wrong if true.
07-07-2012 | 11:12 AM
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What? Can this be true? So an AA guy jumpseating on DL, a gate agents are the ones who grant authority? No need to check in with the CA at all? Hard to believe... Anyone else from DL agree?
07-07-2012 | 11:23 AM
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I agree with you bud. I'm not a CA but whenever there is a non-rev on my flight, whether they are gate agents, FA's, rampers or pilots. It doesn't matter. If they see me and say hi, I always ask if they talked to the CA and if they haven't, I turn them right to his/her direction. Non-revving is a privilege and when its taken for granted, you can easily get a one way ticket back to that comfy seat in the gate area. I've had a couple of CA's send people back for just walking past them like they were the visitors and I stood by their decision. Anyone who is getting a free ride should stop by and thank the CA for allowing them to board because you don't have to be a passenger on that aircraft.
If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
07-07-2012 | 11:39 AM
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From: Embraer Systems Analyst
I agree with you bud. I'm not a CA but whenever there is a non-rev on my flight, whether they are gate agents, FA's, rampers or pilots. It doesn't matter. If they see me and say hi, I always ask if they talked to the CA and if they haven't, I turn them right to his/her direction. Non-revving is a privilege and when its taken for granted, you can easily get a one way ticket back to that comfy seat in the gate area. I've had a couple of CA's send people back for just walking past them like they were the visitors and I stood by their decision. Anyone who is getting a free ride should stop by and thank the CA for allowing them to board because you don't have to be a passenger on that aircraft.
If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
LOL so there's actually pilots out there that care whether rampers or FAs or family member checkin with them? Get a life!
07-07-2012 | 01:10 PM
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I agree with you bud. I'm not a CA but whenever there is a non-rev on my flight, whether they are gate agents, FA's, rampers or pilots. It doesn't matter. If they see me and say hi, I always ask if they talked to the CA and if they haven't, I turn them right to his/her direction. Non-revving is a privilege and when its taken for granted, you can easily get a one way ticket back to that comfy seat in the gate area. I've had a couple of CA's send people back for just walking past them like they were the visitors and I stood by their decision. Anyone who is getting a free ride should stop by and thank the CA for allowing them to board because you don't have to be a passenger on that aircraft.
If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
If something were to go wrong and the FO or CA happens to pass out, I would be a little more at easy knowing that I had another pilot in the back that I could use for help. Single pilot operations can be done if absolutely necessary but it's no fun.
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