The real problem with Mesa

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11-07-2006, 08:19 AM

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XtremeF150

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Originally Posted by sgrd0q

Unfortunately, that may not be the case. Your training cost is more or less subtracted from your first year pay. They don't care if you stay the second year and make more money, or leave and they replace you with someone who will incur a training expense but be paid less than you. The second year pay raise may not exactly equal the training expense but it is close.

This is true but often times ppl at Mesa leave in the first 2 months...It is kind of hard to justify 8K - 12K of training just to fly for 1 - 2 months. Those guys that make it a year at Mesa will gain upwards of 500 places on the global seniority. For a company with only 2000 pilots, that is pretty substantial.

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11-07-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dundem

Surely management must (I guess should is more appropriate) realize that it costs much more to continually hire and train to replace those that are leaving than it would cost to just improve QOL and pay.

Perhaps they do know exactly what the costs are.

The state of Ohio subsidizes PSA Airlines for every New Hire who is trained in OH. So training continues to be in DAY, though most flying has moved to CLT. The attrition rate is about 100/yr for FOs. For FA's... fuhgeddaboudit.

Perhaps mesa has a similar agreement with NM?

11-07-2006, 11:37 AM

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Pilots need to support each other here and find ways to help each pilot group in raising the bar at their companies...

11-07-2006, 04:03 PM

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You'd think that after about a million mesa sucks threads people would get it. Management just doesn't care along with about 90% of the pilot group because the pilots know that Mesa is the only airline that can give them a CA upgrade in as little as 6 months so in return, they are willing to grab the ankles. Most know that they aren't going to last at MESA so why should they care about quality??

11-07-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by robthree

There is no training done in NM. You may be thinking about the flight school but that is not a direct connection to the airline. Other than they offer shortcutters who spend way to much money for flight training, interviews. They don't hire them all though.