Special Eaglewire 09/12/2012
09-12-2012, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
Which is also why I am baffled whenever I hear somebody say they plant to stick it out at their regional indefinitely. I'm at SkyWest, and am already looking for the next step. Our time will come, as it has for everybody else.
09-12-2012, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by D B Cooper
+1, I see it as being what Comair has been, have the size of its former glory. Eagle will have the current 700's and maybe a few 900's. No sense in wasting money for E175/190 sim and instructors. Republic already can supply that.
Question I have is all these carriers will be flying under the American Eagle name. I thought the whole reason American Conn was created was because American Eagle was an airline and companies given name. Delta Conn, and US Express Etc.. Aren't airline names but marketing tools. My question, is there some legal copy right? Or the the Eagle name a registered trademark with AMR.
Question I have is all these carriers will be flying under the American Eagle name. I thought the whole reason American Conn was created was because American Eagle was an airline and companies given name. Delta Conn, and US Express Etc.. Aren't airline names but marketing tools. My question, is there some legal copy right? Or the the Eagle name a registered trademark with AMR.
I see it as Expressjet was. We have not struck and have played ball with the company, and continue to do so.
09-12-2012, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by YuppiePilot
Senior to most of Eagle's aircraft. I'm not kidding.
Not sure were Rickt86 get his 125 more number from..??? Looks like 255 more larger RJ's. If they merge with US, they have said they want to get down to 3-4 connection airlines.. AA stand alone i see SkyW/ASA with 1/3 the new large RJ's. Republic with 1/3 and Eagle if they can get out of CH11 and spun away from AMR with the other 1/3... Time will tell but i bet things will happen the first of the year for Summer 2013 with the New scope larger RJ's...
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09-12-2012, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
No I am just playing a stand alone AA. I think if USAIR does not get to take over, that AA may still pass on USAIR post BK.
I never said Eagle will fly 375 RJS, I think 250, but we basically have 250 airplanes now. I am saying with scope relief 125 more RJs are coming under the AA RJ brand. Until 125 airplanes worth of non AMR EAGLE contracts are in place we are still not completely doomed. I think there might be pain in all this, however this doom/gloom is still a maybe, and needs to be seen. We could still have 250 airplanes between CRJ700/900s and EMJ145s in the course of the next 1-3 years.
I never said Eagle will fly 375 RJS, I think 250, but we basically have 250 airplanes now. I am saying with scope relief 125 more RJs are coming under the AA RJ brand. Until 125 airplanes worth of non AMR EAGLE contracts are in place we are still not completely doomed. I think there might be pain in all this, however this doom/gloom is still a maybe, and needs to be seen. We could still have 250 airplanes between CRJ700/900s and EMJ145s in the course of the next 1-3 years.
Originally Posted by rick86
You want to come in here and point your finger saying look look I told ya they will bid out what Eagle is flying,
but I am not sure this is going to be at AMR Eagles expense, I think this is at AAs expense. I still think Eagle may shuffle into other flying, as bigger RJs are coming. This is AA flying being lost. This is what AMR will do, take a little from the AA guys at a rate slow enough that they dont go bonkers enough to do what the company is afraid they will.
but I am not sure this is going to be at AMR Eagles expense, I think this is at AAs expense. I still think Eagle may shuffle into other flying, as bigger RJs are coming. This is AA flying being lost. This is what AMR will do, take a little from the AA guys at a rate slow enough that they dont go bonkers enough to do what the company is afraid they will.
BTW, we already are bonkers, but it may not present itself in a manner you expect. We have a lot of legal and strategic cards to play yet.
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09-12-2012, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I've never implied the temporary American Eagle is doomed. How many aircraft the temporary Eagle flies is yet to be seen. The cheaper you're willing to go the more you'll get. But read the Eaglewire carefully. DG states that to be in "a position" to be able to bid on future flying, you'll need to acquiesce to their demands. You'll get a good portion of it IMO, but not as much as you think.
Sure, a LOT of that future flying will be at our expense, but also yours. We'll both be shrinking if you ask me. Your attrition will not likely be from the top either as for the next few years at least, their will be no where to go for most senior who won't do any better then they are now.
BTW, we already are bonkers, but it may not present itself in a manner you expect. We have a lot of legal and strategic cards to play yet.
Sure, a LOT of that future flying will be at our expense, but also yours. We'll both be shrinking if you ask me. Your attrition will not likely be from the top either as for the next few years at least, their will be no where to go for most senior who won't do any better then they are now.
BTW, we already are bonkers, but it may not present itself in a manner you expect. We have a lot of legal and strategic cards to play yet.
There is bonkers now, and then there is true bonkers. Enough happens and true bonkers will happen IMO, I saw it at United in 2000. The fact is will happen naturally and gross root with noone to hold accountable is what will make it interesting. If that happens a USAIR deal is 99.99%.
What I want to see is if AMR will trickle all the terms of the 1113 mixed with the LBFO over 18 months, and you guys wont react to it to the level that will accomplish a goal.
09-12-2012, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
We will see, I hope no one loses any jobs. I am not a slop tosser at your guys, I stand behind you all. I dont wish any ill will at all, and am hoping you come out of this with the best possible outcome. I have to live in this mess alot longer than the guys at AA now.
There is bonkers now, and then there is true bonkers. Enough happens and true bonkers will happen IMO, I saw it at United in 2000. The fact is will happen naturally and gross root with noone to hold accountable is what will make it interesting. If that happens a USAIR deal is 99.99%.
What I want to see is if AMR will trickle all the terms of the 1113 mixed with the LBFO over 18 months, and you guys wont react to it to the level that will accomplish a goal.
There is bonkers now, and then there is true bonkers. Enough happens and true bonkers will happen IMO, I saw it at United in 2000. The fact is will happen naturally and gross root with noone to hold accountable is what will make it interesting. If that happens a USAIR deal is 99.99%.
What I want to see is if AMR will trickle all the terms of the 1113 mixed with the LBFO over 18 months, and you guys wont react to it to the level that will accomplish a goal.
At that point, the attrition I expect to see alone would be catastrophic for a tender philly of an airline just out of BK and operationally collapsing at the starting gate. It is "uncharted territory" and no one can predict the sudden twists and turns of that territory.
Will Blue Horeshoe love AA in that circumstance next July ?
If the LBFO is indeed the LBFO then we will find out, unless the three teddy bears Parker has look better.
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