Had. I had the "training experience" after the merge. PC, LOFT, recurrent.
It was still 9E training style. XJ also had AQP, which is now gone as well.

As for a "critical shortage" of airline pilots, I don't think we'll see that. If it comes down to it, they'll just start hiring guys outta ERAU or UND rather than waive the degree. Plenty of guys on the street, in the military, flying freight, flying corporate or mired in the regionals for the majors. Even then, there's no guarantee the number of jobs at the majors won't either shrink or stay the same. Bigger airplanes or less frequency means that. So do mergers and code shares. Productivity language in contracts also has an impact.

 

Keep in mind. Your reputation is at stake. When pilots don't stand up for the profession, they are grouped into a category that is not able to be hired. Scabs, management goons and others make it on to a list that can't be hired anywhere.

If Pinnacle votes in a pay cut, from an already pathetic pay, it will have gone from an equal to Mesa to far far below Mesa.

Don't ruin the profession for a short sighted gain. Pilots are worth a lot of money, don't become a prostitute.

 

It is sad that a group of pilots is being forced to swallow the many egregious mistakes made by a management group that either lacked foresight or simply didn't care.

I feel for you guys and gals.

 

This does not answer my previous question I posed to you so here they are again.

1) Pinchanickled, if you were making $75K to $120k per year, would you be so eager to give that up for the sake of the industry and the good of other pilots? Just curious, an honest yes or no answer please with an explanation if you dont mind. Thanks

2) Also, in all sincerity, could you explain how it will benefit the industry when our airplanes go to a carrier that will fly them for less than we can, even with our concessionary TA?

Your asking us to save your paycheck. You make the arguement that this involves all of us. What are you doing to save mine?


This TA puts us squarely in the middle the pack with respect to the cost of a regional airline. Mesa and GoJets and a few other are significantly cheaper than us. Doesnt that count for something to you?

This deal sucks for all of us. I will be furloughed so I wont be around long enough to benefit from (if you can call it a benefit) from this TA. It still makes more sense to me than unemployment and food stamps.





You guys still crack me up

 

1.). There's no giving it up because it's gone. Out of 2,320 pilots 1,910 will have a job loss (either Captain downgrade or furlough). The remaining 410 captains are lifers with blemished records or no degree. Obviously the top 410 will vote yes. The others should vote NO as a retaliation and out of moral ethic to not wuss into dirt cheap wages.

2.). That is if you believe Delta isn't bluffing. Do you believe everything? What's next, they tell you to work for free and you do it?

Get a backbone. For real!

 

Im not trying to make you mad man, relax. Im just trying to understand. If you can explain it to me so that a person in my postion would agree with you, I may change my vote. You just seem to have this "take one for the team" thing going on. Are you with an ALPA carrier? If so, you just suggested that we essentially retaliate against the remaining 810 ALPA card carrying pilots that will remain. Not cool. You wont hurt management by voting no because Delta is going to clean house and put their own team into manage. Delta is very unhappy with our management, or should I say, mis-management team.

With regard for you first answer up top, it still doesnt answer the question. Would you personally give up say $65k per year for the sake of the industry and your fellow pilots, with no job prospects on the horizon?

With regard for your second answer, Delta has done nothing in the recent past that would lead me to believe they are bluffing (eg. Comair)

As for dirt cheap wages, RAH, GoJets, Mesa's (et.al.) will still be cheaper than us




You guys still crack me up

 

I don't know your TA very well. Just what I've heard. I'm curious how many of your pilots would have voted "No" if management didn't offer furlough pay for 3 months and Travel Benefits.

Yes, the rest of us are ****ed off because now when we go into negotiations our companies will tell us we can't compete unless we also take pay cuts.

Most of you that get furloughed will move on to other airlines or aviation jobs and probably will never go back. It just seems like it's screwing the rest of us for a measly 3 months of furlough pay?

However, that being said I'm not in your shoes. So, while it might upset me on the inside I still will have a professional respect for your pilot group.

 

care to say that to my face while you look at my records and transcript? Or did you hear that tired excuse from your cousin's wife's friend who is a ramper? So it's the top guys now that have pink slips? what about your post about how many FO's can't pass their ATP and your ride wasn't fair?

 

Does that mean I'm off the next 4 days and just need to show up to "check" and "sign"? I'll lean forward and show up tomorrow to teach for a few days before the "checking event".

 

A whole lot of chest beating around here. Don't ruin my potential income. You all haven't and won't do anything to protect my job. I have a back bone, keep snickering from your keyboard. The rest of us are doing what's best for our families. Until I see you and your MECs offering tangible benefits to us if we vote no, your ego won't make me lose any sleep.