Delta to Pinnacle: Concessions or shutdown
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How about quit pointing fingers and accept the fact that everyone contributed in some way. It is a merged company, so EVERYONE was invovled. Some examples: 9E had a contract that was losing money, Phil had destroyed the companies financials, the stupid HQ move, many XJ managers went over before the BK ( May or may not contributed, everyone views their performance differently), as well as brought over many high longevity pilots. None of those things helped the BK happen? Strictly Colgan, eh?
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The worst mistake was 9E buying mesaba. United was willing to pay more for the 9L flying during negotiations but DL said no as a condition of DIP financing. Delta hates senior regional pilots, and they were desperate to offload XJ. If Phil could have a do-over, Delta should have quickly liquidated XJ and transferred the airframes to Pinnacle. Instead, Pinnacle will liquidate and offload airframes to someone else.
#213
The worst mistake Pinnacle Corp made was negotiating a contract with turboprops losing money ("Yes, we lose $100 per leg, but we make it up in volume").
With our current contract, we make what, maybe $2 per hour more than the average DCI contract? Pilots and unions are not the problem: boneheads with MBAs ARE the problem.
With our current contract, we make what, maybe $2 per hour more than the average DCI contract? Pilots and unions are not the problem: boneheads with MBAs ARE the problem.
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The worst mistake was 9E buying mesaba. United was willing to pay more for the 9L flying during negotiations but DL said no as a condition of DIP financing. Delta hates senior regional pilots, and they were desperate to offload XJ. If Phil could have a do-over, Delta should have quickly liquidated XJ and transferred the airframes to Pinnacle. Instead, Pinnacle will liquidate and offload airframes to someone else.
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The worst mistake was 9E buying mesaba. United was willing to pay more for the 9L flying during negotiations but DL said no as a condition of DIP financing. Delta hates senior regional pilots, and they were desperate to offload XJ. If Phil could have a do-over, Delta should have quickly liquidated XJ and transferred the airframes to Pinnacle. Instead, Pinnacle will liquidate and offload airframes to someone else.
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I still wonder if that wasn't the plan from the beginning to purposely start us down this path, and uncle Phil's severance was in part for being a scapegoat
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"What has happened to Pinnacle sucks. The same can be said for Eastern, Pan Am, Braniff, SkyBus, Aloha, ATA, & TWA to name a few. Were you sympathetic to NWA furloughs as Pinnacle/Mesaba/Compass grew at their expense? How about Delta furloughs as ASA/Skywest/Comair/Freedom grew at their expense?"
You know what you keep forgetting? How many of those pilots (Pinnacle/Mesaba/Compass) actually had a affirmative HAND in causing the NWA furloughs? How many of the ASA/Skywest/Comair/Freedom pilots can you NAME who voted on any pact which was s significant cause of Delta pilots being furloughed?
You can't and that's because none of them did. They took jobs, that's it. As far as I know, none of them told management that they would gladly take a pay raise even if it resulted in other pilots' jobs being lost. None, nada, didn't happen.
And therein lies the difference.
You know what you keep forgetting? How many of those pilots (Pinnacle/Mesaba/Compass) actually had a affirmative HAND in causing the NWA furloughs? How many of the ASA/Skywest/Comair/Freedom pilots can you NAME who voted on any pact which was s significant cause of Delta pilots being furloughed?
You can't and that's because none of them did. They took jobs, that's it. As far as I know, none of them told management that they would gladly take a pay raise even if it resulted in other pilots' jobs being lost. None, nada, didn't happen.
And therein lies the difference.
Would you also cry if a sweat shop in China closed its doors and was replaced by a factory in America with good jobs?
#218
So for your example, the 2 Chineese sweatshops were closed, and replaced with 1 shiny new factory in India. Big whoop.
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DING DING DING DING and Menke figured out he was a scapegoat and bailed. Sponge-Bob-jingly-pants was slated to be the CEO all along. This whole spit-bag has bull-hooey written all over it. I'm glad to see that the one place I want the government to be involved in my life they once again turn a blind eye to the airlines bully-caca
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