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Old 12-05-2012 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly782
How about quit pointing fingers and accept the fact that everyone contributed in some way. It is a merged company, so EVERYONE was invovled. Some examples: 9E had a contract that was losing money, Phil had destroyed the companies financials, the stupid HQ move, many XJ managers went over before the BK ( May or may not contributed, everyone views their performance differently), as well as brought over many high longevity pilots. None of those things helped the BK happen? Strictly Colgan, eh?
I agree with you, it wasn't Colgan. In fact, it wasn't any pilot's fault in any of the three airlines. Phil was trying to make Pinnacle less dependant on Northwest, and now Delta. And He and Starky made some bad business decisions. I feel the blame extends beyond Pinnacle management. For example: why did Delta sell Pinnacle Mesaba when Colgan and the Pinnacle 900's were loosing money? Especially since the 200's and Saabs had targets on them. We will never know all the metrics involved, but all of this whichever way it goes now will benifit Delta. Either they get to park all their 200's from one carrier, or they get to set a new low for future whipsawing who's left. It will be a win win regardles. Lets face it, they are shrewder at Delta than Phil and the gang, and they always get what they want. Has anyone ever wondered why het got such a huge severence?
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Old 12-06-2012 | 12:28 AM
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The worst mistake was 9E buying mesaba. United was willing to pay more for the 9L flying during negotiations but DL said no as a condition of DIP financing. Delta hates senior regional pilots, and they were desperate to offload XJ. If Phil could have a do-over, Delta should have quickly liquidated XJ and transferred the airframes to Pinnacle. Instead, Pinnacle will liquidate and offload airframes to someone else.
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Old 12-06-2012 | 01:44 AM
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The worst mistake Pinnacle Corp made was negotiating a contract with turboprops losing money ("Yes, we lose $100 per leg, but we make it up in volume").

With our current contract, we make what, maybe $2 per hour more than the average DCI contract? Pilots and unions are not the problem: boneheads with MBAs ARE the problem.
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Old 12-06-2012 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
The worst mistake was 9E buying mesaba. United was willing to pay more for the 9L flying during negotiations but DL said no as a condition of DIP financing. Delta hates senior regional pilots, and they were desperate to offload XJ. If Phil could have a do-over, Delta should have quickly liquidated XJ and transferred the airframes to Pinnacle. Instead, Pinnacle will liquidate and offload airframes to someone else.
Ya, they should have let someone with compitant management buy us like Skywest. I'd like to know why Delta turned them down. 9E has been a joke for years. I'm not sure why they thought they could handle buying Colgan and Mesaba when they could barely run Pinnacle
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Old 12-06-2012 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
The worst mistake was 9E buying mesaba. United was willing to pay more for the 9L flying during negotiations but DL said no as a condition of DIP financing. Delta hates senior regional pilots, and they were desperate to offload XJ. If Phil could have a do-over, Delta should have quickly liquidated XJ and transferred the airframes to Pinnacle. Instead, Pinnacle will liquidate and offload airframes to someone else.
Delta was going to pay for the merger between XJ and 9E. When we added Colgan to the mix Delta backed out of the deal. Delta made the right move there, we broke our end of the bargain.
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Old 12-06-2012 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Delta was going to pay for the merger between XJ and 9E. When we added Colgan to the mix Delta backed out of the deal. Delta made the right move there, we broke our end of the bargain.
I still wonder if that wasn't the plan from the beginning to purposely start us down this path, and uncle Phil's severance was in part for being a scapegoat
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Old 12-06-2012 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by meesq
"What has happened to Pinnacle sucks. The same can be said for Eastern, Pan Am, Braniff, SkyBus, Aloha, ATA, & TWA to name a few. Were you sympathetic to NWA furloughs as Pinnacle/Mesaba/Compass grew at their expense? How about Delta furloughs as ASA/Skywest/Comair/Freedom grew at their expense?"

You know what you keep forgetting? How many of those pilots (Pinnacle/Mesaba/Compass) actually had a affirmative HAND in causing the NWA furloughs? How many of the ASA/Skywest/Comair/Freedom pilots can you NAME who voted on any pact which was s significant cause of Delta pilots being furloughed?

You can't and that's because none of them did. They took jobs, that's it. As far as I know, none of them told management that they would gladly take a pay raise even if it resulted in other pilots' jobs being lost. None, nada, didn't happen.

And therein lies the difference.
Let me get this straight? You are upset regionals are shrinking while mainline is growing?

Would you also cry if a sweat shop in China closed its doors and was replaced by a factory in America with good jobs?
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Old 12-06-2012 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer
Let me get this straight? You are upset regionals are shrinking while mainline is growing?

Would you also cry if a sweat shop in China closed its doors and was replaced by a factory in America with good jobs?
The problem is the mainlines aren't growing, they have been shrinking for over 10 years. Any grounds made with retirements of pilots has been cancelled out with retirements of airplanes. This trend appears not to be ending either.

So for your example, the 2 Chineese sweatshops were closed, and replaced with 1 shiny new factory in India. Big whoop.
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Old 12-06-2012 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
I still wonder if that wasn't the plan from the beginning to purposely start us down this path, and uncle Phil's severance was in part for being a scapegoat

DING DING DING DING and Menke figured out he was a scapegoat and bailed. Sponge-Bob-jingly-pants was slated to be the CEO all along. This whole spit-bag has bull-hooey written all over it. I'm glad to see that the one place I want the government to be involved in my life they once again turn a blind eye to the airlines bully-caca
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Old 12-06-2012 | 04:47 PM
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cant really say a mainline is growing when cities served by mainline are now only 200s
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