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12-05-2012 | 01:57 PM

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Mesabah

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Originally Posted by dc10guy

I was answering you quote about flow backs in this statement.

I admit the wording is confusing, but I meant, like compass we had flow back provisions, there were no flow backs to XJ. There were only a few dozen flow ups to NWA.

12-05-2012 | 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

I admit the wording is confusing, but I meant, like compass we had flow back provisions, there were no flow backs to XJ. There were only a few dozen flow ups to NWA.

That is correct.

12-05-2012 | 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

Did I say Delta pilots caused the Pinnacle bankruptcy? Colgan bankrupted 9E.

And they continue to do so. Look how few took the ELTLOA. How many of them are sitting on home collecting a pay check? 300 or so?

12-05-2012 | 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29

Apples to oranges. NWA pilots never controlled which airplanes went to non wholly owned regional carriers. They didn't control the block hour rates, or duration of CPA's. They didn't control when planes were parked, or the lease rates on them.

Pinnacle's BK was not caused by Delta pilots. Pinnacle filed for BK before Delta pilots current contract was even a proposed TA. Comair's announced fleet reduction was before 9E's BK.

So are you saying that everything on the TA was a suprise to Delta. I think not. Why do you think they asked to go to the table early. They knew for a long time what they wanted to do, but just couldn't announce it until the TA

12-05-2012 | 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by B00sted

And they continue to do so. Look how few took the ELTLOA. How many of them are sitting on home collecting a pay check? 300 or so?

It's closer to 50. Colgan didn't even have 300 captains, which are the only people who are waiting for training still.

12-05-2012 | 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

Did I say Delta pilots caused the Pinnacle bankruptcy? Colgan bankrupted 9E.

When are people going to get it through their heads that ALL of 9E ( holdings, 9E, 9L, XJ) bankrupted 9E. MOVE ON.

12-05-2012 | 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gearswinger

It's closer to 50. Colgan didn't even have 300 captains, which are the only people who are waiting for training still.

Is there a CURRENT seniority list somewhere?

12-05-2012 | 07:57 PM

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When are people going to get it through their heads that ALL of 9E ( holdings, 9E, 9L, XJ) bankrupted 9E. MOVE ON.

Really, how so? Please tell us the exact details.

12-05-2012 | 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gojo

Really, how so? Please tell us the exact details.

How about quit pointing fingers and accept the fact that everyone contributed in some way. It is a merged company, so EVERYONE was invovled. Some examples: 9E had a contract that was losing money, Phil had destroyed the companies financials, the stupid HQ move, many XJ managers went over before the BK ( May or may not have contributed, everyone views their performance differently), as well as brought over many high longevity pilots. None of those things helped the BK happen? Strictly Colgan, eh?