Delta to Pinnacle: Concessions or shutdown
12-07-2012 | 07:17 AM
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As close as this situation looks the Comair situation it is different. Delta does not hate us like they did Comair. The blood between 9E and Delta is not even close to what it was between Delta and Comair. So this may have a different outcome. No guarantees that it will though.
12-07-2012 | 07:30 AM
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Exactly and when you have pi$$ed off Delta one to many times they shut you down. And justify it's just business. They don't just throw 60 million dollars into the wind and say its just business . Because if we close they just lost 60 million. No board of directors IS going to let their CEO just throw 60 million dollars away. So I don't buy your excuse it's just business.
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12-07-2012 | 07:31 AM
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As close as this situation looks the Comair situation it is different. Delta does not hate us like they did Comair. The blood between 9E and Delta is not even close to what it was between Delta and Comair. So this may have a different outcome. No guarantees that it will though.
I do agree that each and every pilot should be developing a plan on worst case scenario. We probably will sign and ratify a new JCBA. If you don't want to work under the new contract, quit. But you probably will not quit until you have found an opportunity that works well for you and your family. Leaving when things are good for you will be better than just getting thrown on the street. Having a personal plan will help with dealing with the stress this situation has been brought upon each and every pilot at 9E.
I do agree that each and every pilot should be developing a plan on worst case scenario. We probably will sign and ratify a new JCBA. If you don't want to work under the new contract, quit. But you probably will not quit until you have found an opportunity that works well for you and your family. Leaving when things are good for you will be better than just getting thrown on the street. Having a personal plan will help with dealing with the stress this situation has been brought upon each and every pilot at 9E.
12-07-2012 | 07:39 AM
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Your post is extremely optimistic. The reality is that while Delta is up-gauging aircraft, it is cutting frequency which requires less pilots. I get the graphs showing pilot block hours vs previous year. For the last fiver years, pilot block hours are down 2-5 percent each year. There will not be this major hiring that you are counting on. There will be hiring, but it will be conservative hiring.
12-07-2012 | 08:10 AM
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12-07-2012 | 08:35 AM
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I do know, but what I don't know is how long they owned Comair? What I don't think anybody knows if they made or lost money on the deal. Speculating the loses or gains will not be a good enough answer. I would like to see the facts on how much money they lost or gained owning Comair.
12-07-2012 | 09:05 AM
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I do know, but what I don't know is how long they owned Comair? What I don't think anybody knows if they made or lost money on the deal. Speculating the loses or gains will not be a good enough answer. I would like to see the facts on how much money they lost or gained owning Comair.
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12-07-2012 | 09:41 AM
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Your post is extremely optimistic. The reality is that while Delta is up-gauging aircraft, it is cutting frequency which requires less pilots. I get the graphs showing pilot block hours vs previous year. For the last fiver years, pilot block hours are down 2-5 percent each year. There will not be this major hiring that you are counting on. There will be hiring, but it will be conservative hiring.
Per the new contract, mainline block hours are going to increase over 50% (60+% if you believe the block hour plan) from their current ratio with DCI. Even if DL continues to rationalize seat miles, mainline block hours will be going up significantly.
Hiring will go like it does in every major hiring cycle- it will start at a trickle and as things get spooled up go to a major boom. Just look at the retirement numbers and projected fleet count.
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