Delta to Pinnacle: Concessions or shutdown
12-01-2012 | 02:43 PM
#131
I have shiny jet syndrome
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The ones at the airports are on fixed tracks and just go around in a circle. Completely different phenomenon and 2 dimensional.
12-01-2012 | 03:58 PM
#132
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The Colgan and Mesaba purchases are going to go down in history as some of the stupidest transactions in history. However, this is looking at from our own narrow view as employees. I suspect that there was more going on below the surface, and DAL has been in on this for a long time. I am not angry, because I realize that it's business and you have to be dispassionate as a CEO in order to discharge your duties to the shareholders.
The bottom-line for the airlines is transitioning from the current business model and onto another one that is profitable. Unfortunately, we find ourselves in the painful transition period and the handwriting is on the wall about what and how many jobs (of high pay/QOL) will be left when the dust finally settles.
It is reasonable to assume that what the airlines look like in 5 years is going to be much different than it is today. I think we will see an overall reduction in capacity and airframes at the regional level, more flying of larger airplanes, but less total airframes at the legacy carriers. This is going to translate into more full airplanes flying to less cities and less often. EAS is going to be eliminated as a line item in the federal budget and this will open the door for some entrepreneurs to come in and serve markets with the right airplane, frequency and price.
I am not saying that any of the above is good for the overall health of the piloting career, but it is just a theory. The next evolution is going to be development of a man-monitored UAV grid for air transportation. This is also going to be painful, but how many of you have ever had a ride on a train with no one driving?
The bottom-line for the airlines is transitioning from the current business model and onto another one that is profitable. Unfortunately, we find ourselves in the painful transition period and the handwriting is on the wall about what and how many jobs (of high pay/QOL) will be left when the dust finally settles.
It is reasonable to assume that what the airlines look like in 5 years is going to be much different than it is today. I think we will see an overall reduction in capacity and airframes at the regional level, more flying of larger airplanes, but less total airframes at the legacy carriers. This is going to translate into more full airplanes flying to less cities and less often. EAS is going to be eliminated as a line item in the federal budget and this will open the door for some entrepreneurs to come in and serve markets with the right airplane, frequency and price.
I am not saying that any of the above is good for the overall health of the piloting career, but it is just a theory. The next evolution is going to be development of a man-monitored UAV grid for air transportation. This is also going to be painful, but how many of you have ever had a ride on a train with no one driving?
12-01-2012 | 04:43 PM
#133
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And maybe age 70.
Also the unmanned trains on tracks you mentioned and the auto car of the future both have something airplanes do not: a safe place to stop when the electricals go kaput.
12-01-2012 | 05:34 PM
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I have never been on a train with no one driving. I have been on short monorails (the kind at DisneyLand) with no one driving but never a train that actually takes people a long distance. The more appropriate question, how many have ever been in a car with no one driving?
FYI even the monorails at Disney are driven, not automated. They're also staffed by guys that get paid extra because they're classified as "transportation."
Sucky thing is we can't ride up front on the monorails anymore because some guy should have called in fatigued one night and ran into the monorail in front of him....
12-01-2012 | 06:09 PM
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Exactly! I know it's tough guys. I lived through the Comair mess. Don't make our mistakes, if margins are so tight that concessions make the difference between sink or swim, the company's problems are larger than that and can't be saved anyway. Don't give in; full pay till the last day!
12-01-2012 | 06:23 PM
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-----------that our flying will be taken over by other carriers who have already been selected by Delta--------------------------------------------------------
they have already selected your replacement. they have already agreed to a contract with those who will take over for you. no matter what you do, the reduction in aircraft will happen, you might be able to delay, but that will help dal out while giving there new feeders time to get setup. that is my interpetation of that simple statement.
they have already selected your replacement. they have already agreed to a contract with those who will take over for you. no matter what you do, the reduction in aircraft will happen, you might be able to delay, but that will help dal out while giving there new feeders time to get setup. that is my interpetation of that simple statement.
12-01-2012 | 07:06 PM
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12-02-2012 | 06:04 AM
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Burn it down, eh!
You want to burn down the entity that put food on your table for the time you worked there...and you just want to burn it down?
How about thousands more who work there: airlines are NOT all about pilots...you know!
But, if weren't for arrogance, you wouldn't even know what to reply.
You want to burn down the entity that put food on your table for the time you worked there...and you just want to burn it down?
How about thousands more who work there: airlines are NOT all about pilots...you know!
But, if weren't for arrogance, you wouldn't even know what to reply.
12-02-2012 | 07:49 AM
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The very first two airplanes (CRJ-900s) we're losing this month are going to ExpressJet, not GoJets. And I'm pretty sure the last growth announcements have come from ExpressJet, SkyWest, and Compass pooling up newhires for what I'm sure will be growth on their end later next year.
I think it so ironic that an airline (Pinnacle) that was built on folks that paid their way into a job and had the lowest wages for over a decade can give grief to any other carrier. It is what it is. Placing blame on another carrier for your own company's poor leadership, management, and (quite frankly) god-awful hiring practices is ridiculous.
Good luck to all.
I think it so ironic that an airline (Pinnacle) that was built on folks that paid their way into a job and had the lowest wages for over a decade can give grief to any other carrier. It is what it is. Placing blame on another carrier for your own company's poor leadership, management, and (quite frankly) god-awful hiring practices is ridiculous.
Good luck to all.
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