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Originally Posted by StrikeTime
(Post 1301688)
Well somebody just had to say it, didn't they?
Inb4 the lock. |
Originally Posted by meesq
(Post 1301601)
Exactly. You will take concessions and no additional flying will come your way. Take a good look at Comair history folks and play accordingly. Get your apps in everything you can think of, but, please try to stay away from [insert infamous bottom feeder airline here].
Good luck guys - you're going to need it. And don't forget to give your fellow "brothers" at DALPA credit for the shifting of ALPA jobs to the non-union crap ones. I like to give credit where it's due. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1301713)
9e filed BK, & Delta provided DIP financing. Delta pilots and DALPA don't control where Delta management shifts their flying in the RJ shuffle game. That's not an option for us. I suppose it's American pilots fault for Eagle losing flying, or United pilots fault for TSA pilots losing flying. Obviously, we all control that.
Either way the DALPA guys have to look out for themselves...not pointing the finger, but facts are facts |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1301691)
I'm not aware of any contract in which mainline pilots have been able to negotiate a say in who is chosen to do the outsourced flying. That would be ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by djrogs03
(Post 1301721)
the Delta (ALPA) pilots voted to take the RJ200 fleet to 125, 9E (ALPA) has 140... 140-125 = 15 planes...probably more
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Originally Posted by djrogs03
(Post 1301721)
the Delta (ALPA) pilots voted to take the RJ200 fleet to 125 and conceed scope for more large RJ's to the lowest bidder
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Originally Posted by meesq
(Post 1301601)
Exactly. You will take concessions and no additional flying will come your way. Take a good look at Comair history folks and play accordingly. Get your apps in everything you can think of, but, please try to stay away from [insert infamous bottom feeder airline here].
Good luck guys - you're going to need it. And don't forget to give your fellow "brothers" at DALPA credit for the shifting of ALPA jobs to the non-union crap ones. I like to give credit where it's due. None of Pinnacle's flying is really Pinnacle's. All that flying is DAL/NWA mainline, never forget it. You are sitting where you are sitting because mainline jobs got transferred to your low bidding, "pay for training/Gulfstream hiring" airline. THat is it.<---It should have never been this way. Now the young have a taste for blood. And all of a sudden PCL is a high paying airline while GOJet is not :) News FLash: Both airlines are a piece of turd in terms of pay and rules. I am all for the Pinnacle dudes getting on at Delta but stop with your arrogant drivel. We are all in this mess together. TEN PS. We all get fortunate and lucky. We should all help each other out. Pilot groups are not the enemy. We need to work with each other. |
Originally Posted by djrogs03
(Post 1301721)
the Delta (ALPA) pilots voted to take the RJ200 fleet to 125 and conceed scope for more large RJ's to the lowest bidder, 9E (ALPA) has 140... 140-125 = 15 planes...probably more
Either way the DALPA guys have to look out for themselves...not pointing the finger, but facts are facts |
Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1301733)
You need to also thank us, your ALPA brothers, for allowing our mainline jobs to be transferred to substandard airlines like Pinnacle, while mainline pilots got furloughed.
Seriously, take the flying back. Tighten scope! |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1301734)
Show me in the Delta pilots contract where it states "we conceed more large RJs to the lowest bidder". Better yet, tell me what pilot group has control over which regional is awarded flying.
Whoa whoa whoa...what did you think was going to happen? Anyone who has done their homework over the last several years knows that the company with the lowest cost margin gets the airplanes. Where have the aircraft gone? To the Lowest bidders...where were the jobs lost...Comair and soon 9E (ALPA carriers) because of high costs. Just because it's not written in fine print on a contract doesn't mean it won't happen. Why not start a flow and give mainline guys an oppurtunity to have a place if crap hits the fan like CZ has? Keep ALPA pilots flying. It's business 101. Why give 76 airplanes to 9E or OH operating with 15+ year payscales when you can operate the same aircraft with guys at CZ and G7 at 5-6 year pay. As I mentioned before I don't blame any pilot group for the choices they make, and I don't blame a single pilot for a yes or no vote, because in reality a pilot makes a decision usually based on what's best for him and if he has one, his family. I'm all for mainline taking back flying...it is your flying. Period. My conceed statement was just saying that giving up larger airframes, because in reality, Delta has 76 seat payscales. Why not fly 76 aircraft there? Trust me I know it was a net loss in Regional seat feed...it will bump mainline flying in between 60-65% in the not so distant future...that's a good thing |
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