Delta to Pinnacle: Concessions or shutdown
11-29-2012 | 01:36 PM
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Yes, but it still owns the flying, which you have full control over. You owe regional pilots nothing I get that, however, it was mainline pilots who you do owe a lot to that got screwed in these deals. Regional flying hurts mainline pilots more than it hurts regional pilots, look at AA's current situation.
11-29-2012 | 01:38 PM
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11-29-2012 | 01:39 PM
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I really don't see the relevance of this to the current discussion.
11-29-2012 | 01:40 PM
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My misfortune was your fortune. Now instead of *****in and complaining about mainline pilots doing this to you; take responsibility and go get what you deserve.
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11-29-2012 | 01:44 PM
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If you guys think this stuff is so easy, take a look at UAL & Us Air. I think you imagine negotiations as pilot's walking in and slamming their fists down demanding everything. It doesn't work. APA tried it years ago. What did it get them? Bankruptcy. We live in reality, not fantasy. One day you guys will learn that.
11-29-2012 | 01:48 PM
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Thank you for allowing mainline jobs being transferred to regionals and thank you for taking them away? And then add, we should all help each other out.You should have never had those jobs to begin with
What point are you trying to make? Because it sure as heck sounds like, you, DAL mainline, will do what you want for yourselves and screw the rest of us.It is all about me right now. You grew and prospered while over 2000 high paying mainline jobs were lost
The numbers of pilots that mainline has ****ed off and continue to **** off, does not bode well for you. Remember, you should thank mainline for giving you all this growth in the last decade:instead of threatening them. You dont think I am angry at the pimply face RJ fo that took my high paying job? I am livid, but it is ti,e to move onAnd the fact that they are now non-union, even makes it worse. Those guys won't walk a picket line on your behalf. And PCL guys will? Nice! Comair too?<---We saw what Lawson did!
And as you lose market share to competitors and you lose more and more leverage (because guess what, as the regionals shrink, so does your leverage in that area), the future does not look so bright.
What point are you trying to make? Because it sure as heck sounds like, you, DAL mainline, will do what you want for yourselves and screw the rest of us.It is all about me right now. You grew and prospered while over 2000 high paying mainline jobs were lost
The numbers of pilots that mainline has ****ed off and continue to **** off, does not bode well for you. Remember, you should thank mainline for giving you all this growth in the last decade:instead of threatening them. You dont think I am angry at the pimply face RJ fo that took my high paying job? I am livid, but it is ti,e to move onAnd the fact that they are now non-union, even makes it worse. Those guys won't walk a picket line on your behalf. And PCL guys will? Nice! Comair too?<---We saw what Lawson did!
And as you lose market share to competitors and you lose more and more leverage (because guess what, as the regionals shrink, so does your leverage in that area), the future does not look so bright.
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11-29-2012 | 01:57 PM
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Explain to me how the latest contract had any influence on Delta owning regionals. Mesaba was sold before the latest Sec 6. Compass was sold before the latest Sec 6. ASA was sold before the latest Sec 6. Give me an example of a mainline pilot group who contractually dictates management to own regionals or dictate which regional the flying goes to.
If you guys think this stuff is so easy, take a look at UAL & Us Air. I think you imagine negotiations as pilot's walking in and slamming their fists down demanding everything. It doesn't work. APA tried it years ago. What did it get them? Bankruptcy. We live in reality, not fantasy. One day you guys will learn that.
If you guys think this stuff is so easy, take a look at UAL & Us Air. I think you imagine negotiations as pilot's walking in and slamming their fists down demanding everything. It doesn't work. APA tried it years ago. What did it get them? Bankruptcy. We live in reality, not fantasy. One day you guys will learn that.
11-29-2012 | 01:59 PM
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You're talking about the the lowly MEC man who, with just the stroke of a pen, brought thousands of pilots to their knees. That man wields some power, I must say.
I sure hope it is bright for you. Sitting in the right seat for 20 years doesn't entice me, however.
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