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11-29-2012 | 04:48 PM

#81

PBSG

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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL

Its called "Scope", something that was sold years ago!!!! I applaud the last contract voted in by Delta pilots, except the part of more 76 seat airplanes coming on property by regionals....WHY? It just adds to the race to the bottom, those planes could be flown by mainline pilots for mainline pay rates.

How DARE you blame a Major Airline Pilot for loosening scope! Can't you see it's all the RJ 'commuters' fault! You talk about scope like we had the ability to stop it in our contract! Get a clue!

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11-29-2012 | 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL

Its called "Scope", something that was sold years ago!!!! I applaud the last contract voted in by Delta pilots, except the part of more 76 seat airplanes coming on property by regionals....WHY? It just adds to the race to the bottom, those planes could be flown by mainline pilots for mainline pay rates.

Because its called negotiations, not demand and receive. In order to reduce the number of outsourced jobs, shift flying back to mainline, & create new protections for mainline flying compromise was necessary. The compromise was more 76 seaters. I didn't like it so I voted NO. But 62% of my fellow Delta pilots who voted thought it was acceptable. If anyone thinks DALPA didn't attempt to fly those additional 76 seaters at mainline, they're wrong.

11-29-2012 | 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PBSG

Suck it up and share the blame. I did. The RJs don't fly themselves.

11-29-2012 | 05:04 PM

#84

CAPTAINPCL

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Originally Posted by johnso29

Because its called negotiations, not demand and receive. In order to reduce the number of outsourced jobs, shift flying back to mainline, & create new protections for mainline flying compromise was necessary. The compromise was more 76 seaters. If anyone thinks DALPA didn't attempt to fly those additional 76 seaters at mainline, they're wrong.

BULL***T, BULL***T, BULL***T.....SCOPE WAS SOLD, again... The toilet bowl to the bottom continues. Look at what ALPA has created, a race to the *******ing Bottom by non ALPA carriers!!!!!!

11-29-2012 | 05:06 PM

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BULL***T, BULL***T, BULL***T.....SCOPE WAS SOLD, again... The toilet bowl to the bottom continues. Look at what ALPA has created, a race to the *******ing Bottom by non ALPA carriers!!!!!!

And to the MODS, BAN MY ASS PLEASE!!!!

11-29-2012 | 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL

BULL***T, BULL***T, BULL***T.....SCOPE WAS SOLD, again... The toilet bowl to the bottom continues. Look at what ALPA has created, a race to the *******ing Bottom by non ALPA carriers!!!!!!

When you can look past your anger, maybe then you'll understand. I'm not sure why "negotiations" is a difficult concept to grasp.

11-29-2012 | 05:13 PM

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Al Czervik

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BULL***T, BULL***T, BULL***T.....SCOPE WAS SOLD, again... The toilet bowl to the bottom continues. Look at what ALPA has created, a race to the *******ing Bottom by non ALPA carriers!!!!!!

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11-29-2012 | 05:16 PM

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When you can look past your anger, maybe then you'll understand. I'm not sure why "negotiations" is a difficult concept to grasp.

So DAL contract 2015 will have more 76 seat jets or will we see even larger aircraft at the regionals?

11-29-2012 | 05:16 PM

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Please throttle back on the sauce.

That is all.

11-29-2012 | 05:26 PM

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So DAL contract 2015 will have more 76 seat jets or will we see even larger aircraft at the regionals?

Considering Delta management requested 82 seat RJs outsourced on the current contract, I'd say the line will stay at 76 seats as it has for the last 2 contracts. With the new FTDT regs coming up, & massive retirements at the Legacies approaching, a greater leverage to recapture more flying will exist with the next contract.