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Old 01-02-2013 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by slammer1906
XJT, what are your quals?
1) Didn't know this was a game of "how much time do you have?" and

2) How is this relevant to the discussion?

You first.
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Old 01-02-2013 | 08:09 PM
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We are all aware of the injustices done in the past. The fact is I don't think anyone would have a problem given the same qualifications that a white male would be passed over in favor of a minority/woman. I personally have issues with standards being lowered sometimes dramatically to meet what amounts to a quota in order to get to that magic number or percentage a company wants. My cousin was caught up in that UAL hiring in the late 80s he wasn't given an interview either and he had graduated from the USCG academy and was a C-130 commander flying search and rescue in Alaska but UAL did hire a woman with 350 hrs with no turbine time. My cousin went on to Alaska Airlines but it is not only aviation where this occurs. I had a close friend when I was in college who wanted to get on with the Phoenix Fire Dept..He had a fire degree and was near the top in the physical agility tests he tried for 3 years in a row and was continually passed over for hispanic candidates who scored much lower. I don't know about you but if a woman can't haul a 90 pound dummy out of a burning building I don't want her being a fireman or a state trooper who can't make even 70 on the written exam. Think it doesn't happen? Think Again! I don't like discrimination on any level. Qualifications are there for a reason if you meet them fine if you don't you don't need to be there. Funny thing is that I am friends with a black pilot ex navy who is more then qualified and he actually hates affirmative action he says people look at him sometimes and wonder if he "earned" his spot at a major.
So, does this make u an expert on the subject of race relations in aviation?

I hate AA as well, but your grandparents made mistakes that u have to deal with.
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Old 01-02-2013 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by xjtguy
1) Didn't know this was a game of "how much time do you have?" and

2) How is this relevant to the discussion?

You first.
ERAU BS AS
6000 TT
1300 PIC
400 TPIC
CRJ 200 CA
CFI/II MEI AGI IGI
ACA intern
American Airlines intern

you?
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Old 01-02-2013 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by slammer1906
I hate AA as well, but your grandparents made mistakes that u have to deal with.
So you're of the belief that current people have to pay for mistakes made in the past? Yipppeeeee

Originally Posted by slammer1906
ERAU BS AS
6000 TT
1300 PIC
400 TPIC
CRJ 200 CA
CFI/II MEI AGI IGI
ACA intern
American Airlines intern

you?
You didn't answer the question of how this contest is relevant to the discussion, but to satisfy your curiosity;

I'm just "average". Nothing special, just run of the mill regional CA;

BS 4 year degree
8500TT
2550 TPIC
ERJ CA
CFI/MEI

Furloughed once (from ACA), displaced from the CA's seat twice, hence the low TPIC relative to TT when looking at time spent at 121 carriers relative to some others.

Applied/resumes sent to 8 airlines that I would consider a "career destination". With internal recs at 6 of the 8. Just like EVERYBODY else.

But like I said, I'm just average. And just like every other average, and more than average guy out there with apps in, I'm "waiting on the phone to ring".

So I'll ask you again, how/why is this relevant to the discussion. And when did you intern at ACA?

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Old 01-02-2013 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by xjtguy
So you're of the belief that current people have to pay for mistakes made in the past? Yipppeeeee



You didn't answer the question of how this contest is relevant to the discussion, but to satisfy your curiosity;

I'm just "average man". Nothing special, just run of the mill regional CA;

BS 4 year degree
8500TT
2550 TPIC
ERJ CA
CFI/MEI

Furloughed once (from ACA), displaced from the CA's seat twice, hence the low TPIC relative to TT when looking at time spent 121 carriers relative to some others.

Applied/resumes sent to 8 airlines that I would consider a "career destination". With internal recs at 6 of the 8.

But like I said, I'm just average. And just like every other average, and more than average guy out there with apps in, I'm "waiting on the phone to ring".

So I'll ask you again, how/why is this relevant to the discussion. And when did you intern at ACA?

Ok, stop being avg. Go get a masters. Do you do any volunteer work? community serv?
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Old 01-02-2013 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by slammer1906
Ok, stop being avg. Go get a masters. Do you do any volunteer work? community serv?
Still didn't answer the question, what's wrong?

And what's up with your man crush on me and my flight times and personal pursuits? What did the little resume comparison prove? And WHEN did you intern at ACA?

When I said guys that are "above average", I'm meaning the guys I know that have a masters, that are LCA's, etc etc etc. And like I said, I know plenty of them that have applied, with internal recs, that are also waiting on a call. As well as a few that got the call and the thumbs down. It's a hyper-competitive hiring situation.
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Old 01-02-2013 | 08:45 PM
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All you haters need to stop hating, the mainlines have minimums just a tad north of most regionals minimums, because they don't have enough applicants with 1000 TPIC and a 4 yr degree like SWA and FedEx are getting.....
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Old 01-02-2013 | 08:45 PM
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[QUOTE=xjtguy;1322715]So you're of the belief that current people have to pay for mistakes made in the past? Yipppeeeee



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Nope, I personally dont, but society certainly does. Thanks for assuming.
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Old 01-02-2013 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by slammer1906
So, does this make u an expert on the subject of race relations in aviation?

I hate AA as well, but your grandparents made mistakes that u have to deal with.
Never claimed to be an "expert" on anything..Atpwannabe is making the claim that standards are never lowered for minorities and I am here to tell you it damn well does happen has happened in the past and continues to happen and not just in aviation either. My grandparents? You will have to go back a hell of a lot farther than them to go back to slavery. Here is a little link just to show you these things exist at least the supreme court sided with this case of reverse discrimination. Ricci v. DeStefano - Reverse Discrimination Firefighters
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Old 01-02-2013 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by xjtguy
Still didn't answer the question, what's wrong?

And what's up with your man crush on me and my flight times and personal pursuits? What did the little resume comparison prove? And WHEN did you intern at ACA?

When I said guys that are "above average", I'm meaning the guys I know that have a masters, that are LCA's, etc etc etc. And like I said, I know plenty of them that have applied, with internal recs, that are also waiting on a call. As well as a few that got the call and the thumbs down. It's a hyper-competitive hiring situation.
So, why are you even talking?
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