I would hardly say that it was invective. It was my opinion that you had no clue what you were talking about by saying that "TW screwed over ASA....blah blah blah". If you found that harsh or insulting well that was not my intent. Heck....the majority of this entire forum is "invective" if we go by your terms. Perhaps you just don't like it when someone disagrees with you Bar.

So that agreement shows up where in the CBA? Is it in Section 1 a? 1.b? 1.c? Where exactly? Is it a part of the CBA or is it a separate agreement?

It is a Separate Agreement. I think there is a link to the original document in our ALPA forum too.

Funny, I don't think Tom has a degree, like so many of his pilots.

Convenient he now qualifies for a job at DL after passing up the flow a few years ago.

You're right. He doesn't have a degree, he has 2 degrees. U of M grad.

IOW, what you are telling me is that it's not in Section 1 of the Pinnacle CBA.

Correct.

Like some of the Delta JV language. It is scope. It is not in Section 1.

So the MEC negotiates something and then they can't publish it because it might cause an uproar. Shirley you can't be serious.

Does that not sound weird to you? Is one really to believe that the company's financial viability and ability to operate is solely dependant on pilot labor concessions, otherwise shutdown? Somethin is seriously screwy with that picture, and it isn't pilot pay. And a 7 year agreement? Assuming 9E makes it and does well in the future, how much you want to bet that management will line up their pockets with pay increases and bonuses, while pilots continue to serve all 7 years under this agrement. I refuse to believe that a company's business model can depend solely on "making it" through pilot wage cuts.

I don't see how Pinnacle will get anyone to work there after concessions when American Eagle can't get anyone in the door with a $5000 signing bonus.

Without that gift of a flowup to Delta it would eventually have to give raises, but they're likely betting newhires will suck up the pay for a chance at Delta years down the road. The regional model lives on.