I can see where you would get that after rereading, let me be more clear, I am comparing gulfstream to gulfstream. Sorry, no intent to group everyone in one bucket.

Although I made no reference to what makes a good pilot. I don't hire pilots Delta does but.....my opinion, which is mostly all this board is, is that without the degree=no interview. Like others have said, change it for ALL OR NONE. My idea would be to keep it. There must be a way to whittle 10000 applications down to a few thousand to interview. This piece of criteria does a good job at narrowing the field to those willing to go the extra mile. Just like the atp type test questions at the interview. Are you really going to need to know what type aspect ratio a certain type of plane has? No but they know people that research the interview are aware of those types of questions. Those that take extra time to study a huge bank of questions score higher amongst the others. Same difference just to a greater degree. They check everyone's background and training but to get to know a person you want to hire for decades in just a few hours what else do you have to go on?

You are correct for the most part but not in his case..He was hired mid 1990's NW had for a very brief period an internal hiring process they (NWA) was primarily trying to get some people from NATCO in but they finally canned that program after an F/A got a pilot slot and could not pass training (or that is the rumor) and they kept running her through it and finally put a female check airman with her and finally washed her out and that was the end of the internal program. Of course mechanics were not popular in the pilot hiring either regardless of experience. But his dad was a senior Capt and I am sure that helped.

For the record, most of the middle aged career changer Gulfstream guys you had to watch like a hawk their first year to year and a half on the line. They meant well but just had a terrible time adapting to a jet with that little aviation experience. I was thankful for all my CFI experience when flying with them!

The younger ones could adapt better, but then you could run into the maturity issues that were accentuated in the 3701 accident.

Interesting! Something about the FA story rings a bell from somewhere deep in my memory.

Not nearly as ignorant as extremely oversimplifying a Bachelor's degree to "the piece of paper in hand"

YGBFKM, the guy who spent years busting his *** in college is the one "reeking of entitlement"? over the other "lower the standards so I can get in guy"?

"simply flying an airplane"...well there is one hell of a way to look at a multimillion dollar piece of equipment you don't own with hundreds of families behind you.

80kts is by far the most prolific poster of this "vault letter" existing. Doug over at JetCareers says he can get a copy. One of these two is going to have some 'splainin to do unless there really is a secret letter in the Senior VP of Flight Ops office that no one can see. I heard he calls it the Voldemort Letter.

He didn't write "he could get a copy".

He wrote, "if he could get a copy..."

Short, sweet, and to the point! Airline pilots - regional, mainline, whatever should have that "piece of paper" before even being considered for employment. Hope this vault letter turns out to be just a rumor... If not I'm sure the DL interview team understands very clear they are under no obligation to hire someone without the 4 year degree...