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Originally Posted by labbats
(Post 1333051)
I don't see how Pinnacle will get anyone to work there after concessions when American Eagle can't get anyone in the door with a $5000 signing bonus.
Without that gift of a flowup to Delta it would eventually have to give raises, but they're likely betting newhires will suck up the pay for a chance at Delta years down the road. The regional model lives on. |
Originally Posted by Delta1067
(Post 1333000)
I figured you would dodge my point. 9E didn't take paycuts in order to get growth or a bridge. Thats the bottom line and you make it sound otherwise. Good day. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 1332948)
Do you want the new normal to be that new aircraft will be predicated on pay cuts? Because that's the new normal in the regional sector right now.
Refer to Comair Concessions / DCI Fleet Reshuffling in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2010, and 2012. |
Originally Posted by tim123
(Post 1333085)
Wasn't the additional 40 900's that are now committed to Pinnacle based on the paycuts getting passed?
The 40 additional 900s were a given if/when Pinnacle survives as a Delta W/O subsidiary. Semantics, and I'm probably wrong. :cool: |
Can I just say something? As ALPA pilots we choose to outsource 50% percent of our flying, then get mad if some on the "other side" doesn't have a degree?
"It's ok if they are over there, not over here" High horses caused this mess. |
Originally Posted by nwa757
(Post 1333093)
Can I just say something? As ALPA pilots we choose to outsource 50% percent of our flying, then get mad if some on the "other side" doesn't have a degree?
"It's ok if they are over there, not over here" High horses caused this mess. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1332945)
It has little to do with stick and rudder skills. It's more about motivation, dedication, leadership, & desire to succeed. Those that are driven to get the degree show more motivation then those who don't. They show that they possess the ability to learn, listen, & follow instructions. They can excel in areas outside of the flight deck.
As to your jabs at those individuals involved in unfortunate situations, you may want to tread lightly. Karma can be a mean beast. Try to show a little class. |
Slightly off topic and geared to no one on this thread in particular, but judging by the use of English and grammar on APC as a whole, one may be tempted to believe that the vast majority of airline pilots lack any type of college degree.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1333057)
60+% of the their list won't be around regardless by late 2015. There won't be any hiring at 9E for a long time.
While I was not satisfied with the contract put in front of me and voted accordingly, this game is far from over. We were told a substantial amount of our list would be gone when the Saabs left as well, it didn't happen. All we can do is speculate about the future, we can't change what has happened. |
Originally Posted by Stratosphere
(Post 1333108)
True but you guys picked up a few NWA guys without degrees too. I worked with one. Great pilot very good mechanic before he got a pilot slot. Was a DC-9 capt before 9/11. I believe he is back in a capt seat now. But generally I agree with you. I guess in the case of the guy I know he brings things to the table that other pilots lack so in that he does not have a degree he does have a knowledge of airplanes and systems having been a line A@P for years that maybe makes up for it.
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